mr. golberg: that hillary said? charlie: of the overall psychological takedown. mr. golberg: first of all, let's deal with the obvious. remember, american voters -- this is what she is saying. remember, american voters, that this man will be in charge of our nuclear arsenal, his finger on the button. a.m. phone call on steroids. watch how he behaves with people and then ask yourself, do you want this person to have more power than anyone else on the planet? do you want him to get us into a war? mr. golberg: that was the crucial point. do you want a person who is so -- in skinned, so volcanic thin-skinned, volcanic, so will get us that he into a war because someone says something and he doesn't let anything slide? the other part of this that i is that thisctive is a very deliberate attempt to go him into saying things that are even harsher than what he has said. this is offense. case means in this getting under his skin. charlie: my suspicion is that he knows that, but that he may not be able to help himself. that's who he is. you strike me, i strike back. mr. golberg:

mr. golberg: harder. by the way, if you want to boil down his foreign-policy, that is his foreign-policy. it's the jacksonian approach. this is the appeal he has to his voting base. the appeal is we don't want to be involved in the world. we don't want to mess with anybody, but we don't want anybody to mess with us, and if they do, we will hit them so hard they will regret the day they were born. it is, in essence, his foreign-policy. charlie: but also, in the foreign-policy circles you know, in terms of should europe and nato carry a larger portion of the responsibility, do we depend too much on nato, should we give weapons -- should saudi arabia have weapons, and if they do, what does that due to the middle east? mr. golberg: you are right and you have opened an interesting and uncomfortable discussion for the current white house. donald trump, in some cases, is amplifying, maybe exaggerating feelings the president himself has expressed. they have discussed his resentment of free riders, allies who take