mr. goldberg addressing how president obama's stoking resentment in this country. vow heard dr. carson and brit hume. and i think this whole thing top down is politics. tnd it's not stupid politics our programs have not really worked. fog it out with racism and anti-women and all of that. >> right. >> that's exactly right. >> americans against each other. and is he doing it now because he has to get -- he has to get ahead. he has to rev up his base. he has to desperately rev up his base ahead of the november elections. and as you say, he can't do it knowing democrats can't run on a sluggish economy. they can't run on obamacare. they can't run on the president ''s foreign policy. so, he resurrects this old supposed war on women. tells women they are victims because men are making more money for doing the exact same job using bogus figures to make his case and then blaming republicans to remedy the situation, he goes before a civil rights group. al sharpton civil rights group. and he tells them that republicans are threatening their voting rights so blacks and minori

mr. goldberg. now, after the wisdom i have just imparted, you better be good tonight, bernie.t say you? >> look, at this late date, bill, there are still things that we don't know but we should know. of the 6 or 7 million people that the administration tells us signed up for obamacare. how many of those people actually paid their premiums? we don't know. because if they didn't pay their premiums, they don't have health insurance and they don't count. of the 6 or 7 million people they tell us signed up, how many are in the key demographic. young and healthy. the people whose money and premiums obamacare needs if it stands any chance of survival. here is the real important one, bill. of the 6 or 7 million people they told us signed up. how many of those people already had insurance were happy with it, got cancelled, and then went into got a new plan. the estimate is low. you mean, we went through all of, this we went through all of this just to sign up a few more million people? there has to be an easier way to eliminate the preexisting condition problem and the lifetime cap pro

mr. sunshine, jeffrey goldberg.wo days ago was -- nevada rancher is refusing to pay the government $1 million in grazing fees, as you know. but his stand against land use and laws spiralled into something different when he openly questioned whether african-americans were better off as slaves than they are today living on what he calls government subsidies. at first he refuted the "times" report which quoted his remarks. >> he actually wanted a retraction. >> he demanded a retraction. >> if you say something and they don't get it right, you want a retraction. >> then video came out of mr. bundy making the exact remarks. >> the negro didn't have nothing to do, didn't have nothing for the kids to do, nothing for the young girls to do. and because they were basically on government subsidy and so now what do they do? they abort their young children, they put their young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton. and i've often wondered were they better off as slaves picking cotton, having a family life an

mr. putin's decisions are not just badder to ukraine. over the long term they will be bad for russia. bill: jonah goldberg, good morning to you. when you hear the comments about consequences time and again what mess and does it send? >> i think it's provocative when barack obama talks about consequences. all the consequences he offered for previous steps have been so feckless and mediocre. there was a piece in the "wall street journal" on how we ship socks to the ukrainians. he says there will be more consequences. what does not mean? next time we'll send woolen hats or beach balls? to me it says we'll continue down the course we have been on which is one putin does not find intimidating at all. bill: do you think there was a plan b in place? >> i think broadly speaking when obama came into office he had this notion that simply by virtue of being barack obama and not being george w. bush that he would have a transfor tough effect on politician and that would be awesome. when that theory runs into one disaster after another in foreign policy, all has to fall back on is the abiding faith in negotiations. we have seen israeli tal