mr. goldberg: on the pardon? mr. swanson: on any of it. [laughter] mr. goldberg: on the pardon bit , something trump does not have , he will do a special present you are on hillary clinton -- it depends on how bad you think the crimes hillary clinton committed actually were, and how intricate -- how implicated in them barack obama is. but there is significance that it could force barack obama to pardoning hillary clinton so that we can move on. the pardon is a brand -- it is not quite walking through kings landing and saying shame -- sorry, "game of thrones" reference -- he would be a problem for you. politically, it would be kind of brilliant. in terms of the previous part about trump and the idea of his commitment to these issues -- again, look, i'm entirely open to giving donald trump the benefit of the doubt. the never trump thing is over by definition. [laughter] >> i do not know if it is over for him, though. mr. goldberg: that's true. tell my wife i love her, if i suddenly disappear. [laughter] mr. goldberg: but the issue is you have to surround th

mr. goldberg: on the pardon? mr. swanson: on any of it. james swanson on the pardon -- mr. goldberg: on the pardon part -- something he does not have to stick to, he will do a special present you are on hillary clinton -- it depends on how bad you think the crimes hillary clinton committed actually were, and how intricate barack obama -- implicated barack obama is, but there is significance that it could force barack obama to pardoning hillary clinton. the pardon is a brand -- it is not quite walking through kings landing and saying shame -- sorry "game of thrones reference" -- he would be a problem for you. politically, it would be kind of brilliant. partrms of the previous about trump and the idea of his commitment to these issues -- again, look, i'm entirely open to giving donald trump the benefit of the doubt. the never trump thing is over by definition. [laughter] >> i do not know if it is over for him, though. i. goldberg: tell my wife love her, if i suddenly disappear. [laughter] is youdberg: the issue have to surround the guy with the right personnel, and most of the

mr. goldberg. give me your assessment of the media landscape. >> well, that sound bite from karl bernstein and a lot of the others that you played in the talking points, these are liberal exen tators and analysts and there is a tendency among liberal elites to see america through a dark lens. they often see racism and sexism sometimes where it exists and very often where it doesn't exist where they just imagine it. imagine it. so they figure hillary clinton lost how can that be it couldn't be because the voters rejected her liberal policies. it couldn't be because they rejected barack obama's liberal legacy. what is it? it must be the underlying racism and sexism of america. i don't think it's deep analysis. >> i think it's pretty dopey myself. here you spent part of your career embedded in that world when you worked for the dan rather broadcast and this and that. the hatred on the left is certainly equal to the hatred on the right and people in various websites say the most revolting, disgusting t

goldberg, abc7 news. jonathan: thank you. even though mrs. clinton lost clinton won the popular vote. 59,700,000 to 59,500,000. winning the popular vote doesn't get you anything. now some women hoping to share the moment of the first woman becoming president with their daughters, that is what they are hoping for, are now trying to figure out how to talk to them about what happened. kevin lewis is live in rockville with that side of the story. the last 12 hours. i have seen it first-hand and i have won a number of somber and bleak facebook posts. simply put. today has been an emotional one for many americans. howard county resident sent us these photos of her 5-year-old daughter and 4-year-old son. as a muslim american she told me she is afraid of the potential impact trump will also expressing sadness. she took her daughter ellie to her the clinton rally in manhattan. then a dreary photo of the return trip today. ellie peering out the train window. her spirits visibly shattered. in the county, 74% of the voters picked clinton. every mother i

mr. ellison have begun casting about for an alternative and setting off another battle in the ongoing democratic civil war. joining me michelle goldberg, a former ohio state senator. and nina, i would imagine the fact that you spent a lot of time in the trail for bernie sanders and know keith ellison. you're behind his candidacy. my question is how you reacted to all these anonymous quotes from the obama circle basically saying he is not the man for the job. >> i'm surprised, chris, that they're taking that kind of interest. maybe i shouldn't be surprised, because democrats have been losing ground in this country since 2010 and 2014 we got handed both times. so i wished that the people who are listening to such concern about the possible leadership of congressman keith ellison would have had that same concern as democrats has started to erode our connection the people have been eroding, especially on the state level of government and governor's mansions. >> michelle, the point i just made about the map, it's such a crazy one to think about. the obama team put together this incredible thing that no democrat had done since fdr, which is