mr. goldstein is saying that he is his client is having his medallion lifted for two fraudulent transactions totals less than $30. is that your case, or is it that roughly $21,000 over a period of four years? >> right, it is not even necessarily the amount, it is the activity, over that period of time. the $30 is that we have video of two transactions. and those two transactions totaled, probably about $27 to $30. give or take >> that relates to the video. >> that is correct. >> and we did use the video in our previous hearing, as the crux of all of our evidence of the additional conduct. >> and has he has his medallion since 2011. >> that is correct. >> were you able to determine what the amount of the transactions was since he got it to the present? >> well, we have determined what we believe the fraudulent transactions to be and the para transit office can tell you how many he has done completely over time and i am interested from 2011 the time of the medallion, and until now, because that is what is relevant to me, any way. >> yeah. i don't have that exact number. >> number of transactio

mr. goldstein. >> he comes from a different culture where some of these kinds of things go on all of the time and i just want to mention that to you. and in this case, the sfmta is overstated the case. the balance checks were made on credit cards of his grandmother, his grandmother's best friend and their friend all of whom are over 80 years old and he held their cards because they were exclusive users and he served them all of time, and he took them to the doctor and to the store and to see their friends and they relied on them because they could not rely on other drivers because nobody would pay the kind of attention to him or could speak russian like he could and otherwise would be as accommodating to them as he would. >> so those balance checks are on the cards of the people that were intimate to his family including his grandmother and. and the sfmta tries to make something pernicious out of making the balance checks but it does not amount to any dead triment to anybody the only one that we know about for sure is the $27 worth of over charges and he admits to that. the other stuff i

mr. goldstein is correct, he would get most of that money back but he would lose, $50,000 approximately of that money. and so, he would get back roughly $200, for the 250 but he would lose 50,000 of that money. >> i was going to say that the only way prior to revocation assuming that we were not moving forward, i mean that he has the right, if there were no issues, he would have the right to sell his medallion for the full amount. >> and currently what is the medallion worth in today's value? >> $250,000. >> it is still worth. >> and the mta sets the price. >> so he can sell it or he can't sell it >> if he were not having any issues. >> meaning, >> and with the board, correct. he would have been able to sell it. if he just had felt like, you know what i don't want this any more i am going to sell it. >> he cannot sell it. >> not after revocation. no. but what will happen is that this is going to be a voluntary for sale after revocation. and that forced sale will allow him to recoup the majority of that money. >> minus. >> can he sell it prior? >> he has already been revoked. >> okay, i got