mr. goldstein, about the supervision. you talked about a cookie cutter approach or no cross cutting agency approach to security but agency by agency security. now these agencies each have committees. these committees, of course, consist of personnel who are no more than the people who work in the building and none of them have any security background training or knowledge. is that not the case? >> yes, ma'am, that's correct. >> but they have some significant responsibility for security in buildings. would you describe the role of these lay people in security? >> yes, ma'am, we have done some work that's a couple years old now. it takes a look at the committees and explains that the individuals who make up those committees, as you said, rather tend to be the tenants of the building. and the tenant that has the largest footprint in the building typically chairs that committee. i have gone to and my staff has gone to a number of committee meetings over the years, and they do tend to be made up of lay people. they tend to be,