mr. gonzalez anaya: so -- erik: there's a lot of history to overcome -- is that the point? mr. anaya: well, yes. what theyhere also should be -- mr. gonzalez anaya: in the near future, that may be. erik: it may be, but what do you think? mr. gonzalez anaya: i think we need to move toward the transparency issues that public companies have to do, and that would make us accountable and make us concentrate on profitable decisions and profitable activities. erik: let's entertain a what-if scenario. let's forget about all of these things -- history, politics, pressure, unions --if pemex were a private company, what would it look like -- how many people would it employ, what businesses would it be in? mr. gonzalez anaya: that is a hard question to -- erik: if you had a blank slate -- if you could restructure the company anyway you wanted -- mr. gonzalez anaya: there are a lot of things we could do. we could certainly be more efficient. there are a lot of activities that are not strategic anymore. it depends on the reality. pemex was asked to do everything from taking the oil out of th