mr. gorbachev, tear down that wall turn into, mr. trump saying, let's build a wall. as it turns out, that's rather important. but the same messages is what's trying to be said. the only difference is while reagan because he was such a man of great character is able to unite the people. donald trump, terrifies them. he divides them. and so, that is the difference between a united country and a divided one. it's not the difference in model. it's the difference in men. and that's what the key distinction is in today's round. calvin coolidge on the other hand provides a much greater model, one that's much more universally applicable. what he tells us to underpromise and overdeliver. we all ought to act within our means so that we can pursue success at a level at which we never before dream. he tells us that today's politicians ought not to tell us to achieve the impossible but instead they ought to work to clob rate and come together with the other side so that they can produce a more effective policy at every step. fundamentally we believe that that is what changes the

mr. putin he watches with the newspapers obviously he has a set of beliefs from gorbachev's predecessors. and you don't have to answer to anybody. with the aspirations to undo by the end of the cold war so both the chinese san the russians are working very hard where we have military capabilities like ballistic missiles in the aircraft carrier and that threat that poses to us of the antimissile capability there is a long list of threats out there but it is a multiplier one budget cut then they moved into the eastern part of the ukraine with china moving into the south china sea. and then they'll look at the approach to the syrian redline in an after the solid wood gases own people. but then every day that goes by it is like the iranian nuclear deal but that proposition. >> talk about iraq. the video the you mentioned was the response to criticize the decision in my own personal view is anybody who refers to isis as the j.v. team is not in the position to lecture anybody of the topic of iraq. but your sense of what you did and why you did it and people may not be fully aware. >> there were

mr. shirley: it was his christian capacity for forgiveness. this was the man who was the of the free world. he met with gorbachevhree or four times after the presidency. moscow.isited him in they became friends. a couple of years earlier, they had death grips on each other. reagan had an infinite capacity for christian forgiveness. mr. lamb: you write that hinckley was never "cured." why was he out from time to time from saint elizabeth? mr. shirley: he petitioned the courts. the further we get from the assassination, the further we get from his death, the further we get from jim brady's death. brady's death was ruled a homicide when he died last year. it was a direct result of hinckley shot, which hit him in the head. the forces of political correctness, and partially the time that has elapsed favor him getting out more and more. the memory is not as sharp as it used to be. mr. lamb: when did you meet ronald reagan? i was 21ey: in 1978, years old, working on a campaign in new hampshire. i was running against tom mcintyre, the incumbent. reagan had decided to run, but he was thinking about it. new hampshire was

mr. o'rourke. >> guest: all right. sure. >> caller: years ago gail sheehy wrote a book, i think it's been pretty much taken off the shelves, about the man who changed the world. she was, like, praising mikhail gorbachev. this was in the late '80s, early '90s. >> guest: yes, yes. >> caller: and making him, like, into jesus christ pretty much. now -- >> guest: yeah. >> caller: you know, that's one short, and it was proven that ronald reagan basically cleaned his clock, in particular in reykjavik, you know? ronald reagan cleaned his clock. and one other point i want to make. i'll never forget this, i saw this in a book, i can't recall which one, then i'm going to hang up. ronald reagan talked about his negotiating skills, and he said he learned his negotiating skills when he was the head of the screen actors' guild when he was negotiating actors' contracts with the studio heads, and then he said -- >> guest: yeah. >> caller: -- that experience he took with gorbachev was a snap, okay? so i want to talk to you -- [laughter] sheehy, i want to talk to you about sheehy, i want to hear your comments on that and what i just said. have a good one. >> host: all right, jack, in providence, rhode island. p.j. o'ro