and she said, oh, no, please, mr. gordy just listen to them.no, i got stevie wonder and that's enough. i don't want no kids, tutors and this and that. she said, please, you just listen to them. i wasn't going to but just listen to them. she said bobby taylor, one of the artists had turned her on to this group. they were just great. so knowing that she had good taste, i said ok. i just listened to them and naturally when i saw them, i went and grabbed my little new videotape recorder and start filming these kids. they were so great. and the little tape you see with him, the little kids on tv or whatever you see tavis: you recorded that. >> that was my recording of it, yeah. tavis: boxer, song wriringt, chairman, video grapher. >> it was so much fun. and you don't realize what fun. the love throughout that whole thing and what we're going to do for the 50th is to show we had a lot of stuff coming, documentary telling in long form documentary and a it's different in terms of aspects of it. it was a phenomenal thing that happened and i want it to h

mr. gordie and said i've just seen the most fantastic act. >> when she told me about another kids' group,ve got all these other stars. >> i went back one more time, mustered up all my courage and said, mr. gordie, you just have to see these kids. >> suzanne insisted that i meet with these kids and audition them. >> reporter: an audition seen in this video from a documentary produced by michael jackson. >> they were a sensation. they were tremendous. and the lead singer michael was just so incredible and immediately i was up all night trying to think of the type of song that would create excitement among people. >> reporter: motown gave the group a record deal, and the jacksons began their rocket ride to stardom. >> from the time most kids were building treehouses, michael jackson was build building an environment. at 10 he was told to say 8. image was important. >> reporter: it worked. the jackson 5 exploded on the charts. their first three singles, "i want you back," "abc," and "the love you save," all hit number one. >> the crowd was incredible. the way he would sing. then he would danc

i called mr. gordyjust seen the most fantastic act. >> when she told me about another kids' group i said, wait a minute, i got all these other stars. >> i went back one more time. mustered up all my courage. and i said, mr. gordy, you just have to see these kids. >> suzanne de passe insisted i meet with these kids and audition them. >> reporter: an audition seen in this video from a documentary produced by michael jackson. >> they were sensations. they were tremendous. the lead singer michael was just so incredible. and immediately i was up all night trying to think of the type of songs that would create excitement among people. >> reporter: motown gave the group a record deal. and the jacksons began their rocket rise to stardom. >> from the time that most kids were building tree houses, michael jackson was building an image. at the age of 10 he was told to say that he was 8. michael was happy to play along with that because he understood at a very early age that image-making and public relations was ve

. >> i'm not sure if mr. gordy, or whatever it is, but i was totally against that. i fought to get him at neverland, it's his work, it's his imagination, it's what he dreamt of and he had dreamed and he had imagined and he brought it to reality. and i just feel that's where he needs to be. >> in the last hours, the dea joins forces with the lapd and houston police in a surprise raid on michael jackson's live-in doctor. straight out to ted rowlands, joining us there in l.a. what happened, ted? >> reporter: well, nancy, 21 documents and a copy of the hard drive of a computer in dr. murray's clinic was taken out of that clinic, but the shocker here, when you talk to dr. murray's lawyers representative is that this was a complete surprise to them. they said they had open dialogue. they say they had a meeting scheduled and a third interview scheduled in l.a. on friday between murray and investigators. and this was a complete shock. and then that search warrant saying in it that they were looking for materials that would back up, basically, a possible, possible, case of m

and i said, mr. gordy see these kids. >> suzanne depasse insisted that i meet with these kids and audition them. >> reporter: an audition seen in this video from a documentary produced by michael jackson. >> they were sensations. they were tremendous. and the lead singer, michael, was just so incredible. and immediately, i was up all night trying to think of the type of song that would create excitement among people. >> reporter: motown gave the group a record deal. and the jacksons began their rocket rise to stardom. >> from the time that most kids were building tree houses, michael jackson was building an image. at the age of 10, he was told to say that he was 8. and michael was happy to play along with that because he understood at a very early age that image making and public relations was very important. >> reporter: it worked. the jackson 5 exploded on the charts. their first three singles "i want you back," "abc," and "the love you save" all hit number one. >> the sound was incredible. the weight, g

mr. gordy's crypt or whatever. who knows then in that family and why aren't they part of the conversation? jermaine jackson was the spokesperson through the trial, and then was, you know, the leader of the family and he doesn't know where michael jackson's body is. >> here's another strange one. janet jackson said she will not participate in this tribute concert, meghan just told me in my ear. >> she wasn't part of the jackson five. >> kind of -- all right. >> it's uncomfortable and strange and sad as well. >>> coming up, also strange, this is a good story, driven to distraction. a lot of people, if you really put them on a lie detector test would have to confess to maybe talking on the phone or being distracted, looking down. anything that could certainly result in an accident. well, there are reports by the federal government perhaps under pressure by cell phone companies to withhold information about how dangerous the use of mobile phones are when you're driving. >>> plus, baboons going wild! some amazing video

and i'm going to ask mr. gordy to do a small favor for me.his oncen six years that i've donehis show. which is to say thate ask our guesto come back. and the convertion i so rich i hav to askim totay aew more minuteso so we can coinue tomorrow night. would you agree to tt? >> absolutely. tavis: i'm going to pick up with loney tear dps. you know who wrote that? >> this guy. tavis: so wre going to talk about lonely tear dops and the rest othe motown number os. we may have the same clothes on tomoow night. but he's so clean, that'sk. morrow night we will continue our conversations we celebrate early t 50th anniversary of motown. accessr radio pot cast at -- podcast at pbs.org. good night from l.a. keep watching and kee the faith. ♪ nowhereo run to baby nowhere to hide got nowhereo runo baby nowhere to hide ♪ i know you'retuckn me that you'llecome a partf me ♪ kno for more informationn today's show visit tavismiley on pbs.org tavis:oin me next te for our part two cversation with civil rits attorney and political advir vernon jordan. that's nt tim

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mr. gordy's crypt or whatever it is. but, i was totally against that. i fought to get him at neverland.t's his work. it's his imagination. it's what he dreamed of. he brought it to reality. it's where he needs to be. >> we are taking your calls live. out to sharon in florida. hi, sharon. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you? >> i'm good. >> caller: you said on several, several occasions, the doctor left at night and came back in the morning. why was he there at lunchtime? >> excellent question. excellent question. what do we know about it? >> he would be on call for michael jackson anytime. when ever michael jackson needed him is when he would be at the home. >> where we got a lot of that information is when his personal chef was describing the oxygen tanks coming in and out of the home. he is the one that details how the doctor would come, conrad murray would come in the evening and leave in the morning. basically, he could come when ever, correct? >> correct. >> the former nurse to michael jackson, today, her office visited and searched by the coroners. files taken. miss lee, they wanted

mr. gordy's crypt or whatever it is. but i was totally against that. i fought to get him at neverland. it's his work. it's his imagination. it's what he dreamt of. and he had dreams and he imagined and he brought it to reality. and i just feel that's where he needs to be. >> we are taking your calls live. out to sharon in florida. hi, sharon. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you? >> i'm good, dear, what's your question? >> caller: last week you said on several, several occasions that the doctor came at night and left first thing in the morning. why is it that day he just so happened to be there at lunchtime? >> excellent question. excellent question. what do you know about it, natisha lance? >> what we're being told is dr. murray would be on call for michael jackson at any time. he could come at night, he could come in the morning. whenever michael jackson needed him is when he would be at the home. >> natisha, where we got a lot of that information is when his personal chef was describing all of the oxygen tanks he saw coming in and out of the home. and he as i recall is the one that det

mr. gordy's crypt or whatever it is, but i -- i was told -- totally against that.to get him at neverland. it is his work. it is his -- it is his imagination. >> this is a really large family and they all have their own agendas. some of them are superstars in their own right. some of them really need the michael jackson name in order to be successful and their financial success is what they are putting first. that's why everything is taking so long to come out. >> we are also learning more about michael jackson's private moments from a rolling stone cover story due out friday. we got an exclusive first look. ♪ >> reporter: the magazine reports jackson was excited about his comeback concert but has bizarre demands. >> he had two requirements. first one was that he would have an englishmanor in the countryside with horses and rolling hills. where his kids could play. the second one was that at the end of the tour, end of the show, he would be put in the "guinness book of word records" for some sort of accomplishment. there would be a big ceremony. >> reporter: unclear

mr. gordy's crypt or whatever it is. but i was totally against that. i fought to get him at neverland. it's his work. it's his imagination. >> this is a really large family, and they all have their own agendas. some of them are superstars in their own right. and some of them really need the michael jackson name in order to be successful. and their financial success is what they're putting first. and that's why everything is taking so long to come out. >> reporter: we're also learning more about michael jackson's private moments. from a "rolling stone" cover story due out friday, we got an exclusive first look. the magazine reports jackson was excited about his comeback concert, but has bizarre demands. >> 50 shows, he had two requirements. the first one was that he would have an english manor in the countryside with horses and rolling hills where his kids could play. and the second one was that at the end of the tour, or the end of the show, he would be put in the guinness book of world records for some sort of accomplishment. and there would be a big ceremony. >> reporter: unclear wha

mr. gordie to come down and look at him. i guess i didn't have enough weight.lt, michael, you can do it i have been singing since i was 4. michael has been singing since -- we have some things in common. >> asking you joking about being a hermit but this a lot of ways not a joke, must have been hard for you to be a child star has got to be a burden in a way. >> yeah, the story michael told about seek the kids on the playground, well, all my buddies and my girlfriend, they were thumbing rides to the park. i wasn't a singer, my mama wasn't going to have that, but it was just certain things that i could not do, you know, you are committed to this or you're not. make us do it and i think it was the same thing with michael. you know, his mom treasured him that way, too, and kept his feet on the ground but out of pure love and i think that was michael's misgiving, so to speak what he should have had but we were not ready. >> he had a very a very complex person, people have said. seems like he struggled a lot. >> yeah. >> the last ten years. >> because of what he had