mr. gottlieb need to read the florida statute as well as the statute the nra passed in other states.. it doesn't say you can't be the pursuer and that is the case. yesterday in miami a judge dismissed a case under this law a gentleman saw someone breaking into his car, pursued the gentleman down the street, stabbed him to death and availed himself of the law after he pursued the burglar down the street and stabbed him to death. it's being used in florida. >> and stabbed him to death, didn't even use a gun. >> we don't know the case and not trying it here. i'll support what the senator said the world is full of people who picked a fikt with other people and found themselves on the defensive. not every guy who picks a fight could end up the aggressor. this case is causing a lot of noise and i'm telling you sir, mr. gottlieb that stand your ground is on trial. >> chris, if i could say this is different from defending your home. this is a perverted version of the cassell doctrine where you defend your home. >> i'm trying to avoid words like perverted. thank you. i like officials who repr

mr. gottlieb, it has been used that way. >> then it should be prosecuted.s is about somebody doing bodily harm to you. it's not just people with a firearm for self-defense period. this past week there were ten murders and people shot and wounded in chicago. they don't have a stand your ground law. in chicago it's hard to protect yourself. why don't we do a segment on that. >> senator smith, let me ask you. let's separate ourselves from this in terms of the names involved and try to imagine this situation. a guy who thinks he is the sisco kid, calling in some 60 cases, he chases after the guy. when they confront each other, it becomes a physical confrontation. he had a bloody nose and bloody back of his head. there was some kind of a fight, a physical brawl. at what point does it become a confrontation when the guy pursued him when he is basically defending himself. >> that's the problem with the law, they're so vague, and we argued vagueness when they were passing this bill. it's too vague, it doesn't say that you can't be the pursuer or that you can't init