mr. greg gossam. president vietor: is this item four? mr. greg gossam? if you could please introduce yourself, that would be great. >> good evening. my name is greg doxam with, and our thing is win-win scenarios and equity. that's what we work on, win-win scenarios and equity. we started a documentary on the p.u.c. with some employees a few months ago. we stopped that documentary once we seen -- we talk about the training opportunities but then we start meeting people who have actually been with the p.u.c. wastewater for 30 years and they're still at the same level. 30 years. not only does that kind of put a sore eye on the 9910 and 9920 for me as a community member and a leader but also shows me how it affects a person's retirement when you stay there for 30 years and coming out at 4500 when your retirement package should be around 9,000. we understand there are other opportunities people, we get into the p.u.c. through having those conversations which is what you call the as-needed list. now, we understand that to be in wastewater you need a wastewater