mr. griffen for five minutes. >> thank you very much mr. chairman. dr. hassell, if you could, we've got folks out there receiving this. you answered a previous question related to the foreign nations and said some of those were dod facilities facilities. were they all dod facilities, and if not dod facilities, were they facilities controlled by the united states government? yes or no? >> no. >> so some of these would have gone to facilities not controlled by the united states government. how certain can we be that these folks who were receiving live samples, and i believe it was over the course we now know of ten years, didn't discover this before they necessarily told us and have been out there growing some of their own samples and siphoning off some? so when we're told that you all hunted it down and you killed or acquired all of the live anthrax, how certain of that can we be? because it doesn't sound like it me that we can be very certain if somebody was taking some of that anthrax and skimming off some of the live for use in other ways. >> so the no