mr. griffin: can i mention one thing? mr. reed: i gladly yield back to my colleague. mr. griffin: on the issue of the debt, we don't have to solve it overnight. we didn't get in this mess overnight, and we certainly aren't going to solve it overnight. but i sort of anal jies is to going on a trip. if you're going to travel from arkansas to washington, d.c., you don't have to get there instantly, but you need to have a road map. you need to know where you're going, and everybody in the car needs to have confidence that the person driving is taking you in the right direction. if you're driving from little rock to washington and you start seeing signs that say, l.a., 100 miles ahead, you're going to wake up everybody and figure out what happened. so we don't need to deal with this debt overnight. but we need a credible plan that brings us back to balance, that brings us to a sustainable path and that gives people confidence. not confidence that it's going to be fixed immediately, but confidence that the path we're on will eventually get us back to where we need to be. i yield

mr. griffin: i thank the gentleman. i want to make a few points then i'll yield to my good friend from wisconsin. fist i want to make clear that the bill numb of the bill i've just introduced, the job creation and regulatory freeze act, is h.r. 3194. earlier we were talking about common sense regulations. and i want to mention one that i -- a regulation that i had a constituent fly to d.c. to discuss with me. i have a -- she lives outside my district, this businesswoman, but she has numerous stores in my district. she has 300 stores in four states. they're convenience stores. and she came to me and met with me in my office here in longworth, had some other folks with her, and they told me the problem that they have with horses coming into their convenience stores. and i said, excuse me? she said, yes, we're being told by the department of justice through the americans with disabilities act that we have to let horses, ponies, come into our stores. if someone wants to bring a horse or pony into the store. i said, well, wh

clarification coming from an interview with cnn's drew griffin who spoke with robert jones, the vp for trans canada. in that, he explains that mrtion jobs and 7,000 manufacturing jobs, but he explains they are not permanent. let's listen to what he said. >> we will have integrated operation with the existing pipeline, so you know, the numbers are you know, literally technicians and stuff down the like. you're probably looking in the field from montana to houston in the hundreds, certainly not in the thousands because those of construction jobs. >> so i guess you have to look at the fine print here, wolf. in the briefing yesterday we got from the state department from carry ann jones with the bureau of oceans and international environmental and scientific affairs said they are still studying those numbers for the state department. she also confirmed that they are short term jobs but the construction jobs of course would be important to people who are in construction and who really do need some work. >> all right, jill. thanks very much. let's go back to david gergen to discuss this because a lot of people are outraged. they've b