mr. grossman. i don't speak for mr. grossman, but if the defenses had been offered to the appellant court had been offered to him, he might have made a different decision, but more important than that is that everybody is entitled to a reason. levee doesn't call it anti- democracy. he calls it anti- humanity because we're all entitled to reason. it's a field of reason that we all cross which creates the bond of humanity. and that's what's really at stake here. look at this case again. speaker: i'm peter ward field. i'm not a party to this case. but certainly recognized as

mr. grossman filed the lawsuit, but at the time, mr. grossman filed the lawsuit, the response that mr. sancrow had offered, instead of the ones that were offered to the a pellet court was, and i quote, you have already received all documents responsive to your request. we're not required to create documents that not do exist. i consider this matter closed. now, if you look at the issues that should have been responded to with respect to mr. grossman's complaint, we don't have to create documents as a sunshine equivalent of go jump in the lake. do you know who primo levee is. he tells the story of these walking under an eve one day. they're not only starving to death, but dying of thirst. he pulls an ice sickle off an eve and sticks is it in his mouth. premo levee turns and say, why. and the prison guard say

mr. grossman. speaker: i have a question. mr. grossman, can you argue somehow or another that mr. sancrow violated the open government ordinances when the courts specifically ruled against you on that question. speaker: i'm conceding that the privileges no longer -- the aggregation of the privilege and the public access area under the ordinances is no longer enforceable. end the story. but there are other previsions in the ordinances that he violated. speaker: what are those previsions? tell me. speaker: what are they? speaker: tell me what they are. speaker: well, one is you have to identify the records in some way. were they e-mails? was there an opinion? have you to do that. speaker: the court reviewed them, and -- speaker: sir, if i could interrupt you. when the filed a lawsuit, the first thing the city attorney did was turnover 4 of the 28 withheld records, okay. so it's not a case where this is, you know, open and close and just the way it was reviewed by the court of appeal on one issue. but there's two other issues. there's two other previsions of the ordinances that's cit

mr. grossman. i don't speak for mr. grossman, but if the defenses had been offered to the appellant court had been offered to him, he might have made a different decision, but more important than that is that everybody is entitled to a reason. levee doesn't call it anti- democracy. he calls it anti- humanity because we're all entitled to reason. it's a field of reason that we all cross which creates the bond of humanity. and that's what's really at stake here. look at this case again. speaker: i'm peter ward field. i'm not a party to this case. but certainly recognized as the previous speaker has mentioned, the significance of -- as to many people the reason for open government and the good functioning of open good law. there's many conflicts that's problematic. some have been mentioned. the basic hearing by your body of your director. i understand that there was a -- that commissioner hayon gave an okay to an extension at one point with no commission action involved. and of course, there's the whole question of whether

mr. grossman and the appeal was taken by mr. sancrow. speaker: let's go back to the original litigation itself. to answer into that litigation and to actually defend against mr. grossman's assertion that the materials didn't have to be turned over. can the staff independently make that kind of determination, go forward, litigate without at least informing the board or two, at least -- or getting the permission of the board? aren't there policy matters involved in that? speaker: there's no obligation that i'm aware of to seek the commissions approval before descending itself in litigation. the decision here - speaker: defending itself in litigation. speaker: sorry, the commission -- speaker: does the staff some sort of independent body aside from the ethics commission that it would have standing to do things as a person in litigation? speaker: well here, mr. sancrow was named as the respondent. when the task force referred the matter to the ethics commission, it was mr. sancrow who was named as a respondent and that's because of the decis

mr. grossman and that is, whenever someone files a complaint with the ethics, they are supposed to receive under the charter notification back that the command had been received. then it gets turned over to the pa or city attorney, they are to be notified if it's been returned and it is been returned is the commissioner going to take up and what are the reasons. our investigation showed those notifications are not taking place. i think they're important part of not only transparency but also public confidence in the work of the commission. >> thank you thank you. >> the next item on the agenda -- oh, sorry. is there a motion to approve the budget request? all in favor say aye. opposed? the motion passes. next item on the agenda is a discussion on possible action regarding a complaint received or initiated by the ethics commission. cost possible close assessment of the comments on item number six is there a -- on-site >> can you identify whether the complaint involves campaign funding or lobbying or conflict of interest this is in general terms what category does the complaint come under? w

mr. grossman and that is, whenever someone files a complaint with the ethics, they are supposed to receive under the charter notification back that the command had been received. then it gets turned over to the pa or city attorney, they are to be notified if it's been returned and it is been returned is the commissioner going to take up and what are the reasons. our investigation showed those notifications are not taking place. i think they're important part of not only transparency but also public confidence in the work of the commission. >> thank you thank you. >> the next item on the agenda -- oh, sorry.

mr. grossman's return who was brought out by many members of congress including my colleagues here, including congresswoman lee, and as well some of the other political prisoners that have been released, including some in the recent days. and then lastly let me say, let us celebrate the cuban people for the magnificent exports that they have. medicine and medical research and physicians. and everyone knows that in the ebola fight the largest contingent, or one of the largest contingents of medical professionals, really doctors, fighting against ebola on the continent of africa is and has been cuban doctors. alongside of the international work force of medical professionals, good samaritans who sang ficed their lives to -- sacrificed their lives to fight this deadly disease. but every single medical crisis in the world, you can count on cuban doctors being there. as well as conflicts and wars such as over in the middle east. cuban doctor goes to save lives. so i want to thank the gentlelady for the special order and i look forward to joining her in further could he dells to visit and -- coddel

mr. howard eskin. >> this is fox 29 sports in one minute. >> reporter: good morning, i'm howard eskin the flyers last night were without goalie steve mason, braid inch nicholas grossmano many games, they have no offense. going to washington, the case last night scoreless game, flyers fail to clear the zone and guess what, jason scores against rob that's not good the only goal of the game. flyers lose it one-nothing. the sixers were 17 and a half point underdogs last night in toronto. the second best team in the conference. remember lou williams there in the white? for toronto the shot, he is found, he scores, that's four-point play. sixers cover but lost 100 to 84. big game for temple last night, to temple, that's larry brown, the coach, aaron mckie former player, fran dunphy the coach of the temple owls, it was student and teacher and nick moore with the shot when it was tied at 52, smu comes back, 13 to beat temple, 60 to 55. that is sports in a minute. and i'm howard eskin. >> so they say you can make music just about anything, but does it seem possible to do that with a pair of gloves? >> we'll tell you what pop superstar is showing them off and it all started wh