mr. gruber said.ll that matters is that we have this wonderful law that people should love and, if they don't, well, it's because, as we told you, they're stupid. >> well, i would hope my fellow citizens would keep this in mind any time somebody wants to sell them, quote, a comprehensive piece of legislation, whether it's dodd/frank or the immigration bill the president wants, comprehensive is latin for there's lots of bad stuff in here. he just proved that he's willing to lie, he's willing to lie because he has the arrogance of thinking that he knows what is best for this country and the citizens and the voters could not. so keep that in mind the next time anybody tries to sell you on a big piece of legislation by calling it comprehensive. >> do you think the white house needs to speak to this now? we went through the number of contacts he had personally chairing, the president did, a meeting with him, touting him as an objective analyst, credible, unbiased, compelling, his senate testimony. he was p

mr. gruber. he portrays himself as sort of the hero of the book explain healthcare law against monsters. including insurance premiums will rise through the roof that this creature is talking about. of course, they have. and, you know, it's really an interest read, actually, but. >> how much does that cost by the way? pay more for that one? >> that's a good question. it says here, let's see. how much is that 15 bucks? >> 13.95. >> $10 on amazon. deal on amazon. >> nice, making -- a the loft things they are saying aren't going to happen really do. end of employer provided insurance. we have heard that argument being made as well. this whole thing about what he was talking about when he said the cbo as scoring this as not being a tax. i was there when this law was being debated on capitol hill. put a price tag being build that congress is putting together. the idea that he were in trying to use the cbo lawmakers. >> i don't have any sympathy for any quote deceived lawmakers because not one of them b

mr. gruber. >> i don't know who he is. [laughing] >> jon: can you ever not, not disappoint us? don't know who he is. >> our bill brings down rates. i don't know if you have seen jonathan gruber, the analysis of what the comparison is to the status quo. >> jon: who ever that guy is. so, that's pretty lousy. politically. gruber still hasn't done structural damage to the act. >> through political compromise the decision was made state should play a critical roll in running the health insurance exchanges. this is a centerpiece of the reform. your citizens don't get tax credits. >> jon: oh, boy. gruber seems to suggest the law provides subsidies through state exchanges not the federal exchange. since the federal exchange covered 36 states that would affect the affordable part. the affordable care act. here is the thing. that is one clause and ignore the rest of the law. they say when states fail to step up and create the required exchanges the federal government "shall establish and operate such a exchange in the state" nothing in the records show congress -- to the state exchanges.

mr. gruber said.because when stupid people say stupid things, you're kind ever off your keeft keyster as to wh do. >> he had a materiaial positionf crafting this bill. >> it is the same position he had when he built the bill for massachusetts. when he built the bill for massachusetts he did the same thing for mitt romney. >> pelosi said we got to pass the bill so we know what's in it. please. >> we have good news. you guys have more time but we need to take a break. the panel returns are their thoughts on the president's possible executive order on immigration coming up. >>> also we are weeks away from winter but it certainly does not look like it how people across the country, if you can imagine this, are trying to enjoy these frigid temperatures. >> yeah, we decided to go sledding. he can't stay on a sled and thip doesn't move. terribl so i wouldn't give it a good grade. it felt like hot pins and needles coming from the inside out of my skin. when i did go see the doctor, and he prescribed lyrica, i

mr. gruber. >> i don't know who he is. >> you don't know who he is. >> our bill brings down rates. know if you've seen jonathan gruber of m.i.t.'s analysis of what the comparison is to the status quo. >> whoever that guy is. >> didn't stop there. after touting the democratic leader as champion of women and voting rights, stewart lit into pelosi's decision to deny tammy duckworth's right to vote -- >> nancy pelosi with a perfect chance to showcase your principles. >> pelosi opposed duck wrth's request to vote by proxy. >> thank you. you have to -- wait. what the [ bleep ]? you're suppressing the vote of a minority pregnant woman who is a wounded war veteran. she is everything you supposedly stand for stuffed into one individual. she is a democratic demographic turduckworth. >> she defended the situation saying it's against house rules and making an exception for duckworth could set an unwant precedent. >> what? you seemed to be okay for setting precedent when you became the first female house speaker. let me say this, you go girl. seriously, you should go. >> pelosi said the decision

mr. gruber actually made it from the government. >> i mean mr. gruber made it from the government so he's too stupid, is he? >> he's not too stupid but the government likes to hire those guys who have developed a funny line that has come back to haunt him. >> what do you think, you are a self-described liberal? >> i prefer to think of myself as an eisenhower republican but get called liberal quite a bit. >> do you agree being a liberal? >> i think all sane people are progressive in some areas and conservative in other areas. you have liberal friends, right? you have liberal people in your life? do you have liberals in your life that you love? >> are you a liberal? yes or no? >> in many areas i am. yes. >> yes or no? >> you want me to say i'm just liberal. >> no, i'm not asking that. are you a liberal? >> i try to be. >> are you a conservative? >> in many ways. >> are you a republican? >> i'm independent. i'm not a democrat. >> i asked the questions, you tell the jokes. all right, so what do you think about this immigration amnesty executive order,

mr. gruber, or the professor.at the democratic leader in the house of representatives, nancy pelosi, now and back in 2009. >> i don't know who he is. he didn't help write our balls. i don't know if i have seen the m.i.t. analysis of gruber compared to 9 status quo. >> are the gyrations by democrats though distance themselves from professor gruber embarrassing? >> that is a gaffe, i would say. i like the tape where she said we have to pass the law to see what is in it, that doesn't help. i think that he was insulting to the american people and arrogant in his attitude so there is a lot of hubris involved and it is the critics of obamacare would says this is why we are set. are you kidding? washington we package, we are merchandise, just like projector and gamble. of course things are packaged in such a way to promote. >> so there is nothing new. >> very little. i would say it is much ado about nothing with him but the critics of obamacare have a field day. the act is working. the uninsured rate dropped by 25 percen

mr. gruber.rican people bóoase eventually they realized they had been lied to. the u.s. supreme court said, you know what, we'reqe+ onto you. it is a tax. they didn't care because it wound up being a legal victory on thu but one by one the c1 misrepresentations have come aeutyvm their say. marc, i'll -=ç you the last >> you're exactly right. it's one thing for us to point it out on television. it's one thing for "the washington post" fact checker to say obama committed the lie of the year. it'i501 entirely another thing the architect of the individual mandate, the man who7 barack obama to support the individual mandate to admit they lied that they think the american people are stupid and that theyi7r)jju what's best fo us. if it takes lying to usi what they want done, they're willing to do it. that'suei6p the self-indictment that this >> great to :% you, marc. >> thanks, megyn. >>> we're taking your thoughts on it. go to i0):÷faceboíqsq)q&lyfile and let us know what you think. >>> just days aft

mr. gruber. i prefer to say professor gruber. take a look at the democratic leader in the house, nancy pelosi now and back in 2009. >> i don't know who he is. he didn't help write our bill. >> i don't know if you had seen jonathan gruber's m.i.t. analysis of what the comparison is to the status quo. >> one, aren't these gyrations by democrats to distance themselves from professor gruber a little embarrassing? >> yeah, that looked bad. that's a gaffe, i would say. and i like the tape earlier when she said, have you to pass the law to see what's in it. that doesn't help. i think gruber was insulting to the american people and arrogant in his attitude. so, there's a lot of huberous involved here. are you kidding me? in washington? we package, we merchandise, just like, you know, procter & gamble and anybody else that's selling soap. of course, things are packaged in such a way as to promote -- >> so there's nothing new here? nothing gruber -- >> very little. i would say much ado about nothing with gruber except critics of obamacare

mr. gruber today. >> i'm a liberal twit by the way. that's what i'll get called, i'm sure. >> what did the professor tell you? >> he's not doing any media. you're not special in that he's not just doing your show, he's not doing my show either. he wants to stay away from the media for now. i said i'm on fox news defending you. he said don't defend me. i was wrong. >> all times? the first time and second time? >> didn't ask about this time and this time and this time, but he acknowledges he made a mistake. >> that one clip seems to be i was making a mistake because there were cameras rolling and i should know better than to say this stuff which is true when it can be documented. >> there's always cameras rolling. the dirty secret is both sides play that game presuming the other side is stupid, changing the affordable care act to obamacare, calling it obamacare, which obama eventually embraced. using phrases like, you know, it's government-run health care, something frank luntz came up with. it's not. so the other side, the other side fo

mr. gruber not about us and the administration.they are in a struggle in the oval office with barack obama harry reid and nance pelosi crossing the line. the lie is the law right now. now that we are being exposed they are doing the jeremiah wright i didn't know him. he wasn't in our circles. you look at the law and you look at what gruber said they watch up there's no indication on the law that is ready. >> she is making her father proud. a new york woman graduating from it the new york fire department 13 years after her dad a former firefighter was killed in the 9-11 terror attack. >> firefighter josephine smith. >> 34-year-old josephine smith always wanted to become a firefighter after losing her dad her desire to follow in his foot steps only became stronger. i have been waiting for this day may whole life. there he is. fulfilled my dreams. >> she is the first daughter the firefighter killed on 9-11 to become a firefighter, too. >> meet the new dog mayor of san francisco chihuahua mix. becoming the city's first honorary dog may

mr. gruber that i expect his team to complete the two work that we need to provide vermonters with a health care financing plan. i also informed mr. gruber that we will not be paying him any more for his part in completing that work. >> gruber accepted the terms, gruber's mit research associates will continue to be paid, they're paid at $100 an hour, compared to gruber's $500 an hour. gruber whether get no more of the $400,000 contract with vermont other than the $106,000 that he's already been paid. >> it provides a single payer or universal health care, it has been by most accounts a disaster and deeply divisive, that was before gruber's name became a household word. >> when you are coming to a group of people who are paying you a large sum of money to try to have something accomplished and you treat them with this respect, that leads in my eyes to a situation where he is not going to be credible when he tries to come into the legislature to sell whatever package he develops. >> even democrats in the state where wages are very plat are deeply skeptical of any wildly huge increase in payro

mr. gruber said if anybody knew it was a tax, it wouldn't pass.? >> you know, i'm loathe to criticize but i will. here's the thing. if you're in a court and one side says the light is green and the other side says the light is red, the court can't say the light was yellow. you're in the supreme court of the united states. the government says it's not a tax. the people challenging it say it's not a tax. where's the court? we now know that language wag written intention -- was written intentionally to dupe the court. >> because it was a tax. >> in the big picture rand paul hast night said i want to get that 400,000 dollars back gruber got from the government. can he get it back because it was seen as the stupidity of the american public that he got that money? >> i don't think he got that money because of the insults and those insults are profound, the american public is stupid but they can get it back if they found he did more harm than good. house republicans will bring him before a house committee probably now or after christmas and ask him to sa

mr. gruber. it's not about us and the administration. as we all know now, that gruber sat in the inner circle, in the oval office with barack obama, harry reid, nancy pelosi, crafting the law. representation. the lie is the law right now. and i think now that they are being exposed they are trying to do the jeremiah wright, bill ayers, i didn't know him. he wasn't really in the inner circle. when we look at the law and look at what gruber said, they match up. there is no distinction between the lines that were told and law that was written. that's why this video is so powerful. >> which video. there are seven of them. >> what he is saying is actually what i have seen happen in the law. they lied to us. they misrepresented to us what they were doing. and we're putting the puzzle together and i think that's why it's so damning for the administration. >> so what happens? i mean, it's okay, they are up to their eyeballs with gruber and look pretty bad trying to run from him. added in the brief latest case to the supreme court gruber's name ap

mr. gruber's comments were a-year-old and he had backtracked for most of them.he is not even advocating the position for some conference. stuart: i think you heard that, the just of it was his comments were made a year ago and not relevant. you say what? >> she didn't say they were false or wrong or incorrect in any way. perhaps they were made a year ago, but that does not mean there are any less to today. the catalyst tax which mr. gruber was talking about, masking it with the american employer pass it on to their employees. we have a new study that there is this out, it is accurate. stuart: it looks to me like chaos, absolute confusing for obamacare going forward, is that an accurate statement? >> it is problematic. employers say they cannot make necessary changes because there is so much confusion, uncertainty and they are sitting back waiting to see how it works itself out. stuart: thank you, we do appreciate it. i should tell you the price of oil dropped below $75 per barrel. albeit briefly. you will see on the bottom right-hand side of the screen it droppe

mr. gruber that we will not be paying him any further for hazy part in completing that work. >> vermonters sent a message last night and i heard it. >> gruber's recommendations will be presented to the legislature. republicans hope that gruber's comments will shine a light on the rush to a single payer health care system. >> i'm always concerned when people are hiding, developing policy and using the belief that the way you pass policy is to bypass the american public. >> reporter: joe benning is the leading republican in the senate, he had called on the governor to overturn gruber's contract. >> the longer it getsgets -- >>> one of the president's big contributors is in big trouble tonight, chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel tells us who and why. >> to my great friend and supporter terry bean, co-founder of hrc. >> democratic fundraiser and human right -- terry bean was arrested last week after being indicted on sex related charges with a teenaged boy. the oregonian reports being with his 25-year-old boyfriend kia lawson used an iphone app to arrange for a sexual encounter in

mr. gruber or not. all right, now to the tizzy over lizy. harry reid'veing elizabeth warrant to a leadership --way to a leadership position in the senate. one says a warren promotion like that tells you all you need to know about how much democrats are willing to compromise, and, senator, you argue, if that's the signal, not much. why? >> well, actually there's something that elizabeth warren and i do agree with and that's eliminating the medical device tax, which has driven jobs overseas and caused medical innovation to stagnate in this country. want to work with her and work with democrats on issues we agree on that will get jobs to the country, people to work, and the economy -- >> len the me -- i want to get to the issue. but on the medical device tax that seems to unite democrats and republicans. they would likely kill that. but then how would you -- because elizabeth warren has to look for alternative revenues that will be lost when you take th away. what do you say to that and what are republicans offering that or not getting that far

mr. gruber is telling the truth. if it does, and the republicans can have the patience of politics, they will find that the president can no longer administration the affordable care act, and they will have all the leverage to negotiate changes in the affordable care act. >>> because the point is, and i'm not exactly sure, maybe you are, about 15 of the states have exchanges, the other 35, and it's off by one or two -- have federal exchanges. according to the law if it's a federal exchange they don't get the subsidy. >> and the professor said we wrote it that way to squeeze the stat states. >>> democrats are doing everything they can to distance themselves. take a look at nancy pelosi now and back in 2009. >> i don't know who he is. he didn't help help write or bill. >> i don't know if you've seen the analysis of the comparison to the status quo. >> you know, aren't they gyrations a little embarrassing? >> yeah, that looked bad i liked the tape when you played earlier where she says you have to pass the bill to see w

mr. gruber went rogue. the democrats will be calling him later today.l have to have another apology. >> can we call him gruber? >> very clear message twice. >>> we have special programing for you tonight. part two of our exclusive interview with the navy seal who killed usama bin laden. here is robert o'neill how he became the guy who made that shot. >> how is it you ended up number two man on the stairs to the third floor. >> just luck. the way it worked. guys ahead of me, based on our tactics, we knew that the guy in front stays in front and everyone behind him when there is other stuff going on they need to get to that -- you know threat and take care of the threats which would be other people, other rooms, other doors. more important than, we need to clear that level before we go up anymore. >> you can see the second and final installment tonight at 10:00 eastern right here on the fox news channel. >>> 1970s era terrorist and convicted murderer may be rehired to teach at one of our nation's universities. he served six years for his crimes but should

mr. gruber call me. is there a beef that you have? is there an ax to grind here? i want to know, were you complicit? >> that's why i say, this is now six videos. in this day and age, i'm sorry. i don't care who you are or where you speak, many of us speak at different places. you know that people have iphones, things out there reporting so that would be my questions as well. i think the issue here, the reason this is a problem is not because of what he said but it's because the law stinks. people are looking at the law at the end of the day and saying, all right. this law is impacting my life negatively. that's why it's a problem. if there were no transparency and that all had happened but the law was fantastic, the premiums were down, things were looking great, that would be a lot less important but the combo package here for this administration is a huge problem. >> when he was asked on another network and he didn't really apologize, he said he misspoke, the followup question should have been, did you misspeak because it wasn't true? he hasn't said that. >> i th

mr. gruber. if all this was as bad as you say, why did you take the money you earned az an adviser, nor is too it too late to give it back. >> wow. >> i think we can just keep waiting. i wouldn't hold our breath as we wait for mr. gruber to give the money back because if essentially you think about what gruber's argument in all of this is look, you have to trick the rube sometime so that they will ge best thing for them. you just can't tell them what the best thing is. >> yeah. well, i guess american people don't like being called stupid, 'cause check out this latest gallup poll. americans' views of the affordab affordable care act an all-time low, 56% disapprove. 37% approve. >> not too cool. and certainly, as we get into the second year of approaching full obamacare implementation, they were hoping to see those numbers be going up and not going down. >> chris tire is want, always great to get your thoughts. thanks, sir. >> you belt. >>> so democrats denying a pregnant lawmaker her vote in congr

mr. gruber as quote unquote some adviser who never worked on our staff, unquote. is that an accurate portrayal? >> no it is not. it's called i'm trying to get this guy as far away from me as possible because he's got some real evidence that i may have been lying to the american public. >> they didn't want to use the word tax because that would have killed the bill and the the way legislation is written upput the best face forward. when george w. bush passed the prescription drug benefit they're until the allowed to nesh hate lower prices. that was part of a deal with the pharmaceutical. unfortunately, it's sausage making and the guy revealed the whole sausage making to the public. >> he was paid by the health and human services as a consultant in shaping the law. one of the people whose ideas he was drawing on to create the affordable care act. i have another note here that obama on saturday dismissed the professor jonathan gruber, some adviser who has never worked on our staff. jonathan gruber earned $6 million when? >> over 3 or four years. what gruber said was

mr. gruber. >> thank you with san francisco taxi worker's alliance and there was a protest at the airport last night first of all san san san francisco airport has allowed in and rewarded them with permits there's still gaping holes in their insurance which the airport is not fulfilling and it's a condition of the permits that the airport issued and they are letting them in anyway and to top it off these companies can use their aps so this is a huge problem. >> secondly i'd like to call your attention to something that willy brown wrote in the chronicle over the weekend and it's kind of interesting and significant originally mayor brown was working for one of these ride service companies he was their lawyer or consultant for a company now called wings and now he's saying just take a look at downtown san francisco where an ever expanding fleet of ride sharing drivers no longer content to wait for a call for their perspective services we see it all the time you need to to take control of your streets. this is in your ballpark. lastly let me just say about the taxi insurance issue -- a compa

mr. gruber, mr. gruber was brought in because he was the architect of the plan in massachusetts.what brought him here. >> the computer program. >> the algorhythms and stuff like that. for that, various government agencies paid him close to $6 million. vermont is not going to stand for it. they want to claw that money back because it was based on deceit. listen to this. >> we are having a caucus in my senate tomorrow morning to have a conversation about this. i don't know what the results of that will be. three of my colleagues in the house have sent a letter to the governor asking that he terminate the contract immediately. one other senator, senator kevin mullen and i, we joined publicly to ask the contract be terminated. >> steve, building on your point -- that is a good job by vermont. building on your point, when he bragged, it was a big secret about romney care was ted kennedy was able to essentially bilk the federal government for hundreds of millions of dollars enabling romney care to look like a well functioning machine and that small machine was made into the national ma

mr. gruber was the advisor, as the president himself said. >> now that we know how the obama care hoax was really passed and told to the american people -- >> our kochk should stop and they should say, now that we know what's in this bill, and now that we know that there's been amount of subterfuge involved here, let's rediscuss it and let's vote again. >> three votes? >> can i take about steve ratner? >> sure. >> let me tell you about steve ratner, he's one of the wealthiest people around. he was a wall street hedge funneled person who was plucked off of wall street. they brought him in to do the whole car, cash for clunkers, save the auto industry. he was touted as one of the most important people on the obama administration around 2008-2009. steve ratner has a lot of credibility. he today said, yes, john gruber was all over the white house, he was the guy for obama care, steve ratner would know because steve ratner and jonathan gruber was the same guy, john thnathan gruber was to obama care what steve ratner was to the auto industry. steve ratner's saying that jonathan gruber was the gu

mr. gruber's comments have helped that.ite poll after poll showing the american people regardless of the ideology, that they don't want obamacare to be repealed or replaced, they do want tweaks, they do want improvements in some areas of the legislation to be changed, nobody wants people who are now covered with pre-existing conditions or the thousands if not millions of people who are benefiting. think about it, people on life support right now who may not be with us if they didn't have insurance. and when i was pregnant, no, i wasn't pole vaulting, but to say that americans aren't benefiting from this, especially in the states with the exchanges like where i am here in california, that's not accurate. i know the people that have insurance that didn't have it before -- martha: lots of people who had it that they liked who don't have it anymore and who are paying more for the insurance they like, and those are exactly the people gruber says are too stupid because the insurance companies pass along the costs to them. we have

mr. gruber at m.i.t. >> i don't know if you had seen jonathan gruber's m.i.t. analysis. >> jonathan gruber is one of the most respected economists in the world. >> i have stolen ideas from liberally john gruber. >> john gruber. he must be in shock tonight. none of those folks can remember him. none of those folks seem to know what role he played in obamacare. i don't know if they could recognize him right now. they can't put enough distance between themselves and the professor. and the mainstream liberal national media ignoring the story. politifact reporting that since the story broke last monday, cnn has mentioned gruber 27 times. msnbc mustering the courage to mention him 79 times. fox news, well, 779 times. republicans now circulating a list of the 22 times president obama has admitted he does not have the constitutional authority to change immigration laws through executive action. the president will move forward with executive amnesty the white house says despite his repeated acknowledgment of the limitations of the presidency. our next guest, i'm told re

mr. gruber is speaking on those hearings. it is -- is it a sideshow? guest: i think it is going to be a sideshow. i try to ignore that part of it. i do think it has become this kind of dramatic, theatrical sideshow when it really is important to focus on what you can afford. up, but can get caught you need to focus on, you need to have insurance by february 15 or you will be paying more at tax time. host: this is another tweet. very much so. we will see employers contributing to those more. -- is so much that many of us have not had to pay attention to, myself included, because we have not had to pay out-of-pocket. it really is something that people need to consider when they have these plans. it is kind of like free money. host: hosea is calling from new mexico. -- jose is calling from new mexico. caller: i believe i speak for probably the majority of the american people, millions, hundreds of millions of when i saynd myself that we are disgusted with dr. gruber calling us stupid. he just proved that a phd can be stupid. i think the results of the ele

mr. gruber at his white house press briefing today and here is a sample. >> people are understandably of relitigate all of the political fights in 2010 as relates to the affordable care. some republicans are seeking to fan the flames of the political arguments because they think it is advantageous to do so. they do so because it is easier to talk about 8 or 8-year-old videos than talk about how smoothly the second open enrollment period went. >> just old news according to josh earnest, the president's spokesman is talking about the embarrassing videos that surprised from one of the architects of obama care. we'll have more on fox. high stakes battle over the key stone pipeline. we are waiting for a senate vote on the pipeline. and reports right now one vote short of approval. and there is no indication president obama will sign it. for a fair and balanced debate. we'll bring in jack and bob don't spokesmen for the resource council. >> we'll start wu. also in the white house briefing josh earnest hemmed and haed when asked if the president vetoes the bill. how willing are you to allow the