mr. grumet or ms. cassady or ms. hammond. are you all familiar with the regulations relating to production of electricity in mexico by coal? no is a fine answer. if you don't know, you don't know. nobody knows? because the reason i ask the question is that part of the proposal here, and one that i'm interested in has electric transmission facilities. it's not just pipelines. and one of my concerns is that we're putting coal miners out of work in appalachia. lancaster down our way. it's not app plachiaalachia. it's appalachia. and we are putting coal miners out of work in appalachia, but if we allow lines to cross over from mexico using not as good a goal with not as good a process, and not as clean of plants, what gain have we made environmentally? i think this is a case where, while ms. cassady and i are not going to agree on much we might actually agree on that that that might be a concern. mr. grumet, do you have any thoughts on that at all? >> you have make a very important point and dr. dollser's testimony referred to it

mr. grumet, about mexico. as your testimony, mexico is on the verge of a revolution for energy, changes, changes, changes. i moved to texas in 1972. i saw the struggle opec had on america first hand. 1979, i just got my license. i was sent down to get in line for gasoline. gasoline, a long line to get gas, depending on the last digit of your license plate. if it was an even date, go on an even day, even number. long lines. gas prices doubled. they had a stranglehold on us. now, with all this new production in america north canada and mexico, i see a vision of opec going away, replaced by napec, north american oil production. how can we make napec head of opec? >> you might want to think about that. i'm back. i think you make a very important point. we used to look at our headlines and opec was having a meeting and there would be a chill through the land. now, they can meet or not meet. it doesn't matter much to us if we seize the opportunity of abundance. our opportunities with mexico are profound. we have to

mr. jason grumet and we have mr.erald kepes who is vice president of upstream research and consulting. we have ms. allison cassady from the center for american progress. we have miss emily hammond who is professor of law at george washington university law school. and i'm going to call on my colleague, mr. pitts, of pennsylvania to introduce one of our witnesses as well. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i'm pleased to introduce mr. scott martin, a county commissioner from lancaster county pennsylvania, formerly chair of that commission and active of the statewide association of county commissioners, outstanding commissioner who i'm very pleased could travel down from pennsylvania to be with us today. thank you, mr. chairman. >> once again i want to thank all of you. we really look forward to your testimony, and i'm sorry that there was such a delay in your testifying. we had to reschedule a little bit. mr. dolzer, i think you came the longest distance, from bonn, germany, and you were in the german parliament at the time

mr. jason grumet who is the president of the bipartisan policy center. and we have mr.gary katz, vice president of extreme research and consulting. we have ms. alison cassady's director of domestic energy policy for the center for american progress. we have ms. emily hammond is professor of law at george washington university law school. and i'm going to call on my colleague mr. pitts of pennsylvania, to introduce one of our witnesses as well. >> i wonder i'm very pleased to introduce mr. scott martin, a county commissioner from lancaster county, pennsylvania, former chairman of the commission and also acted statewide association of county commissioners outstanding commissioner who i'm very pleased to travel down from pennsylvania to be with us today. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. mr. martin, they can bring with us. once again i want to thank all of you. we would look forward to your testimony and i'm sorry that there was such a delay in your testify. we had to reschedule a bit of mr. dolzer, i think you can the longest distance from bonn, germany, and i think

mr. jason grumet, who is the president of the bipartisan policy center.k you very much for being with us and you're recognized for five minutes. >> well, thank you very much, chairman rush. and the resilient members of the committee. on behalf of the bipartisan policy center, it's a pleasure to join you in this important discussion on the economic policy architecture governing our nation's abundance. my testimony can be summarized in three main points. first, i want to applaud the committee for focus an significant opportunities to strengthen north american energy integration and collaboration. north american energy security and self-sufficiency are, in fact, realistic goals that must be vigorously pursued and not taken for granted. my second point, mr. chairman, is that increased north american cooperation is a critical component of a larger effort to promote economic growth through efficient markets to enhance north america's role in global energy trade and to project u.s. power and global interests. and my third point is that we must seize the opportun

mr. grumet, ms. cassady or miss hammond, are you all familiar with the regulations relating to production of electricity in mexico by coal? if you don't know you don't know. the reason i asked the question as part of the proposed and one i am again as electric transmission facilities. not just pipeline. one of my concerns is that the coal miners out of work in appalachia. and we are putting coal miners out of work in appalachia. but if we allow electric transmission lines to cross over from mexico is seen not as good coal with nondescript process and not as clean plan, what game have we made environmentally? this is the case while ms. cassie and i won't agree on much we will agree i'm not that it ought to be accused turn. do you have any thoughts on that assault? >> you make a very important point. dr. dolzer referred to it as well. that is why we have a shared solution that brings technology of the united days to bear on the issues in mexico. shared agreement will not get into a lengthy conversation