mr. grumet: i have a lot of questions. n the spirit of democracy, i am going to open it up a little bit. mr. bunch: you made a mistake. museum directors are not democratic. we are autocratic. [laughter] mr. grumet: let me stop for a mr. grumet: let me stop for a >> congratulations. we love the museum. you did a marvelous job. the question is regarding the movie "green book." it is a very interesting display. what do you think of the movie? i know it has been very controversial in some corners. and which movie are you rooting for? [laughter] mr. bunch: on the one hand as a historian, you want any opportunity for the broader public to understand the past. the story of the green book, of how african-americans had to find ways where they would be able to travel, or they would find places to stay or places to eat, and the green book is a great story telling that. the green book itself. the movie is not about the green book. the movie has a great title, but it is not about the green book. i am very pleased it has led to more inte

mr. grumet: at the time, what was -- mr. bunch: i will tell you the story because it sounds wonderful, a glorious burden. we were struggling to figure out the name. the researcher said find something jefferson said. you can always count on jefferson. he comes back and says jefferson said the american presidency is a glorious burden. i remember calling the secretary of the smithsonian saying we got the title. at 10:00 that night, the kid calls me and says i screwed up, jefferson did not say that. [laughter] and so, he is on the phone crying, i am crying. and so i decided that we would go and tell the truth. but i think the notion of the burden of being president was much like the burden of being a museum director, but it was also glorious. because the challenge to be able to do something that matters, that gets to shape the way a country views itself, that is what a good president does, that is what a good leader does. mr. grumet: all of us have mentors in our lives who have had a unique impact on the trajectory of our career

mr. grumet: a couple more questions about the creation of this remarkable museum. you mentioned you had to raise over half $1 billion. i know that is difficult. mr. bunch: yeah, that is an understatement. mr. grumet: obviously you had some partners, but what was the process and when did you believe you actually had the momentum to build something this glorious? mr. bunch: i will tell you, one of the great lessons with the secretary of the smithsonian said to me, it was so helpful in this process, when i was asked to come back before i took the job, i was asked to go to a board meeting to talk about fundraising. i walk through this board meeting and they put me next to oprah winfrey and bob johnson, the ceo of american express and time warner, and i am terrified. what am i doing? i am this kid from jersey in this room. the secretary of the smithsonian saw how nervous i was and the next day he said to me, you have to remember something, that you are in the room with the people that can raise all this money, the most important people in the world, they are at the top o

mr. grumet: good morning. welcome to the bipartisan policy center for another discussion in our bob and elizabeth dole series about leadership.