mr. grundler and mr. brooks. you are aware the committee is holding an investigative hearing and when doing so has the practice of taking testimony under oath. do you have any objections to testifying under oath? both witnesses say no. the chair then advises you that under the rules of the house and committee you are entitled to be advise bid counsel. do either of you desire to be advised by counsel during your testimony today? both witnesses indicate no. in that case would you please rise, raise your right hand and i'll swear you in? do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? thank you. for the record, both witnesses have indicated yes, you are now under oath and subject to the penalties set forth in title 18, section 1001 of the united states code. we'll now allow you each to give a five minute summary of your opening statement, mr. grundler you may begin. >> we appreciate the opportunity to testify on the matter of the environmental protection agenc

mr. grundler whose job is it to make consumers whole? >> we are not the type of consumer protection agency. their other federal and state agencies that have that responsibility but as i testified earlier to consumers going to be essential to how we are reviewing the options to adjust these excess emissions. >> let me ask you the excess emissions are violating the epa standards, right? >> correct. >> we just heard testimony from both and i have a letter to owners that says you can still drive them. so under what authority does the epa say that these cars that these cars are emitting 10 to 40 times the allowed amount to continue to be on the road? >> the responsibility and the liability for those excess emissions lies with volkswagen and that's why we are conducting this investigation learning what the remedy is in pursuing litigation to address them are mental harm. >> yorty said the state if they were to bring their car and for some reason the seat device is not on than the consumer actually could be responsible for the increased emissio

mr. grundler, one of of the concerns that i raised with mr.horn earlier was this concern about whether we might find these defeat devices or similar problems with other cars. so i wanted to ask the question, do you have the tools and authority you need to insure there are no other cheaters out there? >> yes, we do. >> but i'm also concerned about, and maybe this is for mr. brooks, about the comments that mr. ford made -- mr. horn made where he suggests, you know, there were a couple of rogue engineers that may have done this, but suggested that there was no corporate responsibility. do you -- is it the epa or is it the ag, who goes after the, you know, the individuals corporate or otherwise that might be responsible for this, or do you at some point envision even bringing charges, you know, like criminal charges against the corporation itself for this intentional deceit? >> thank you for the question. i can't speculate now as to exactly what course all of the enforcement actions will take. i can tell you that my office has already taken the in

mr. grundler. one of the concerns i raised with mr. horn earlier was concern about whether we might find these devices with similar problems with other cars. do you have the tools you need to ensure there are no other cheaters out there? >> yes we do. >> i'm also concerned about maybe this is from mr. brooks, mr. the comments mr. ford made. suggesting there was no corporate responsibility. is it the epa or the ag who goes after the individual corporate or otherwise who might be responsible for this. do you at some point envision bringing charges like criminal charges against the corporation itself for this intentional deceit? >> thank you for the question. i can't speculate now as to exactly what all the enforcement actions will take. my office has already taken the initial enforcement action. we are working with the department of justice on these matters. >> i guess what i'm asking i won't keep repeating, one more time. we keep talking about the fines because of what happened. is this rise to individual responsibility for those respon

mr. grundler. concerns i raised with mr. horn earlier was mightn about whether we devices with similar problems with other cars. the tools you need to ensure there are no other cheaters out there? we do. >> i'm also concerned about, mr. brooks,s from comments mr. ford made. suggesting there was no corporate responsibility. ag who goesa or the after the individual corporate or otherwise who might be responsible for this. point envision bringing charges like criminal the corporation itself for this intentional deceit? question.ou for the toan't speculate now as exactly what all the enforcement actions will take. already taken the initial enforcement action. we are working with the department of justice on these matters. >> i guess what i'm asking, i won't keep repeating, one more time. we keep talking about the fines because of what happened. is this rise to individual responsibility for those responsible? asthere such a thing criminal action against a corporation? speculating, are those possibilities? >> let me be careful in

we have grundler and mr. brooks. you are aware the committee is holding an investigative hearing and when doing so has the practice of taking testimony under oath. do you have any objections to testifying under oath? both witnesses say no. the chair then advises you that under the rules of the house and committee you are entitled to be advise bid counsel. do either of you desire to be advised by counsel during your testimony today? both witnesses indicate no. in that case would you please rise, raise your right hand and i'll swear you in? do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. thank you. for the record, both witnesses have indicated yes, you are now under oath and subject to the penalties set forth in title 18, section 1001 of the united states code. we'll now allow you each to give a five minute summary of your opening statement, mr. grun dle you may begin. >> we appreciate the opportunity to testify on the matter of the environmental protection agenc