mr. guthrie's concern. the program really is consistently proven, and i think it puts a disadvantage, whether it's 32,000 school districts in this country, approximately 30% of all schools fall in that category, and many obviously do not have the resources to be as competitive. >> we have to check whether it is a competitive priority a separate slate. we've made absolutely certain that rural schools and communities are well represented . we have gotten better over time at doing that, but i think we can address that specific concern pretty well. >> a shifting of $100 million i think is a significant concern -- >> i have struggled to get the data. >> thank you. >> thank you for your commitment. i will try to hit three different areas if i can. number in mye district. one issue that has come up his student debt. the fact that we are at 1.2 trillion, second to only home mortgages. a decade ago, we were a quarter of that. one thing that does not get attention is the ability to refinance student loans. s the cost