mr. gutierrez: i yield to the gentleman. mr. hastings: that's a reason why i had a problem with this procedure and i did not mention the option that you talked about association. i just wonder if the gentleman knows or maybe can help me. where did that come from? mr. gutierrez: you know, i'm kind of like mr. rangel. i mean, this definition is a new definition. now, i will tell you this. the gentleman from puerto rico represents the statehood party in puerto rico. he came down here and he defined his own status or lack of definition of his own status gives him. but then you know the next thing he did, he defined the opposition status. you know, that reminds me kind of like barack obama going to john mccain during the election saying, tell you what, why don't you tell me what my platform is write it for me and that's what i'm going to run on later on? you cannot allow this to happen because this is not a democratic process. the result is already. let me just say with the gentleman that senator wicker, and i'm going to ask that a s

mr. gutierrez: thank you so much. and i thank the gentleman from colorado for allowing me the opportunity. first of all, i really think that if you're going to talk about democracy, that if you're going to talk about freedom, that if you're going to talk about self-determination, then you have to deal with the process. and this process is just patently unfair. i thank the majority for two amendments. that was nice. but isn't it interesting that as a democrat, 100% democrat, one that has been consistently a senior democrat, that when i came down here in 1998 when it was gingrich's bill, when the author was young, when it was a republican sponsored bill and i went before the rules committee i had seven amendments ruled in order. each amendment was given 30 minutes. that's 210 minutes of debate time. and now when my party, the party that says they're fulfilling this legislation to foment, to foster, to encourage and to engage the people of puerto rico in a democratic process, the democratic majority has decided to give me

mr. gutierrez of illinois. the chair: those in favor of a request for a recorded vote will rise and be counted. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a five-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the chair: on this amendment, the yeas are 164, the nays are 235, the amendment is not adopted. the unfinished business is the request for recorded vote on amendment number three printed in house report -- the chair: on amendment number two, the yeas are 164, the nays are 236, the amendment is not agreed to. the unfinished business is the request for a recorded vote on amendment number three printed in house report 111-468, by the gentleman from illinois, mr. gutierrez, on which further proceedings were postponed and on which

mr. gutierrez talked about a civil rights issue. i don't know about any civil rights more important than your own life or the innocence of a child. we have 17% of the people crossing the border in arizona are here to commit crimes. yes, i'll agree the vast majority are coming here looking for work. how do you separate those here looking for a better life and those coming here to prey upon the citizens of arizona? it's really simple. you enforce the law. that's all this bill disenfranchisement it encourages and enables law enforcement officers to enforce the law. federal government passed the law in 1986. >> let me go back to the example you gave with the person who committed heinous -- anyone listening would say those are disgusting crimes. you pointed out that person had a list of other criminal issues he faced in the past. current law, if you're in the criminal justice system, police, state and local can check your immigration status. so that was a loophole that could have been avoided. you don't need this law to have enforced tha

mr. gutierrez. do you know, who they are? >> no i do not that email says there has been a rampant appraisal of underwriting fraud in the industry for quite some time as pressures mounted to the the origination machine. would you agree there was great pressure to feed the origination machine? >> i am not aware of the specific. >> but in general were you where there is a huge demand for mortgages, the securitized mortgages. >> i was aware of the growth. >> and for that purpose? >> and the demand and would for investors? >> and wall street to securitized? >> yes. >> were you aware of this exhibit five i don't know if i ask you specifically. version six could have been released months ago i don't know if i ask you specifically about that. they did not have to massage the numbers and all 10 members. did i asked you whether or what your reaction is to that? >> no. i am not familiar the topic you are referring to or the people they are addressing. >> what is your reaction know that you read that something would have been done otherw

mr. gutierrez, i have a question for you.during your stay with the government working for the bush administration, did you ever consider placing immigration point across the border? in other words, where people leaving this country would possibly be searched and the things they are taking into mexico would be questioned? this is particularly relative to the arms being moved into mexico supplying the gains. these arms are not available in mexico. i have travelled extensively into mexico over the past 10 years and when i do travel i always keep in my possession a photocopy of my passport and my driver's license and i've been stopped numerous times by mexican police both state and federal and never had any trouble. obviously, knock on wood. most of my mexican friends in southern mexican -- southern mexico are wonderful people and very hard working in family oriented. host: what is your question? caller: during your stay with president bush, have you ever considered whether people moving out of this country should be possibly sea

mr. gutierrez, i have a question for you.during your stay with the government working for the bush administration, did you ever consider placing immigration point across the border? in other words, where people leaving this country would possibly be searched and the things they are taking into mexico would be questioned? this is particularly relative to the arms being moved into mexico supplying the gains. these arms are not available in mexico. i have travelled extensively into mexico over the past 10 years and when i do travel i always keep in my possession a photocopy of my passport and my driver's license and i've been stopped numerous times by mexican police both state and federal and never had any trouble. obviously, knock on wood. most of my mexican friends in southern mexican -- southern mexico are wonderful people and very hard working in family oriented. host: what is your question? caller: during your stay with president bush, have you ever considered whether people moving out of this country should be possibly sea

mr. gutierrez, i have a question for you. during your stay with the government working for the bush administration, did you ever consider placing immigration point across the border? in other words, where people leaving this country would possibly be searched and the things they are taking into mexico would be questioned? this is particularly relative to the arms being moved into mexico supplying the gains. these arms are not available in mexico. i have travelled extensively into mexico over the past 10 years and when i do travel i always keep in my possession a photocopy of my passport and my driver's license and i've been stopped numerous times by mexican police both state and federal and never had any trouble. obviously, knock on wood. most of my mexican friends in southern mexican -- southern mexico are wonderful people and very hard working in family oriented. host: what is your question? caller: during your stay with president bush, have you ever considered whether people moving out of this country should be possibly se

gutierrez and so many, many others. i he yield back to the gentleman and thank -- i yield back to the gentleman. mr. polis: it's really the american people who have kept the fire under this issue. the american people do not want congress to continue to ignore a broken immigration system. what would ignoring immigration -- we're ignoring immigration, too much to work on, we've got health care, we got energy, why bother doing immigration? you know what? failure to act immigration reform will mean we'll have twice as many illegal immigrants in 10 years than we have now. twice as many. instead of 10 million, 12 million, we could be talking about 20 million, 25 million. the longer we wait the bigger the problem gets. the goal of immigration reform needs to be to eliminate, bring to zero, illegal immigration. if immigrants who have been living in our country illegally want to become tax paying american citizens they need to pass a background check, pay extra taxes, work toward citizenship, learn english, register. we need immigration reform that's both principled and pragmatic. we, in this country, have t

mr. secretary. i would like to move on to some other things if i can. we're going to talk secrets. [laughter] >> on this morning's "washington journal" we'll talk with former commerce secretary carlos gutierrez and also a look at the national job market with john challenger and edward lewis from the financial times will join us to talk about the financial market regulations. "washington journal" live starting at 7:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. >> the people who are coming to us for risk in the housing market wanted to have a security that gave them exposure to the housing market and that's what they got. >> the is that the hearing with goldman sachs executives went nearly 11 hours. see the key moments. see every moment. it is washington your way at the c-span video library. every program since 1987 free online. [applause] >> tonight, the large part of the debate will be on the state of the country's economy. the recession, the national debt, unemployment, the issues that many people believe will decide this election. our audience here is representative of this area. we have also selected some questioners from nowses of emails we received at the bbc news website. the leaders of course haven