mr. gutierrez, who's been deeply immersed in this subject. >> without on jej our colleague mr. z is the chair of the task force for the caucus would take the remainder of the time. >> i think your suggestion is well needed and i would encourage us as when we met with the speak of the house to say to the men and women of faith that i think you can save us from ourselves and our own part sant political bickering. this is a moral issue and so therefore i would suggest that you call us to order and that you con phoenix the meeting so that men and women from this side of the aisle can meet with men and women from that side of the aisle, put it that way, and then you can discern who is working of good faith in order to achieve the goals that we should as a government. now i want to begin by saying to dr. james edwards i listen to your comments. you want to make a dissubscription between scripture and government. between we as christians and the civil government but our government should be a reflect of who we are. what is government but a reflex of the millions of people who condition

mr. gutierrez, who's been deeply immersed in this subject. >> without on jej our colleague mr. gutierrez is the chair of the task force for the caucus would take the remainder of the time. >> i thinkour suggestion is well needed and i would encourage us as when we met with the speak of the house to say to the men and women of faith that i think you can save us from ourselves and our own part sant political bickering. this is a moral issue and so therefore i would suggest that you call us to order and that you con phoenix the meeting so that men and women from this side of the aisle can meet with men and women from that side of the aisle, put it that way, and then you can discern who is working of good faith in order to achieve the goals that we should as a government. now i want to begin by saying to dr. james edwards i listen to your comments. you want to make a dissubscription between scriptur and government. between we as christians and the civil government but our government should be a reflect of who we are. what is government but a reflex of the millions of people who cond

mr. gutierrez needs to repent of being a traiter to his country. we need to enforce our borders. we're not a country if we don't have borders. instead of talking about amnesty about illegal aliens that are crls, you feed to talk about i mean peaching the president who is a criminal for not enforcing our laws. guest: first of all, i have to say george bush, former president of the united states, republican, spent two years trying to get the congress of the united states to enact comprehensive immigration reform. so i guess the caller is saying we should have i mean peached george bush. but it's highly politicized today and partisan today but let's go back to 1984. there was a debate between mon del and reagan. reagan's running for re-election. mondale's view is we don't need to work with immigration. ronald reagan said we need to take the workers and legalize them. then it legalized 3 million undocumented workers under the leadership of ronald reagan. host: so what are the lessons learned from that political battle then and what president bush tried to do with immigration reform?

mr. gutierrez and the part of the violence that comes in. do you have any idea how many died at the hands of those who made it across the desert? >> it's certainly true to say some who enter this country do so with crimal intent anding at in ways that harm others but that is dleerly not the majority of those entering the country illegally. the vast majority of those are good people who are looking for a decent way of life for themselves or their family. who want to contribute to the community or add to the life of the society. it's that individual that is of concern. certain isly a person who comes here with criminal intent or who harms another person, this is something that the law must address and needs to address. i was humbled to be able to celebrate the funeral mass for rob crentz. there were 1,200 ranchers present for his funeral. it was a sad and painful moment for suzie his wife and their whole family and the whole community. this is tragic, we don't know exactly what happened but perhaps it was a drug smuggler and that is an unconsc