mr. gutierrez spectacular much, mr. green. ms. smith, we have conflicting testimony here. you've never worked for hud? >> no, sir i never worked for hud's spanky work for an organization that received hud funds, did you not? >> yes, sir. >> that's why you are here, to tell us about how you stole those hud funds and how in the future we could stop hud funds from being stolen. yes, no? >> was that a question of? >> that is a question. is that your purpose year, to tell us how you stole the hud funds? >> i'm here to tell you have hud funds were mismanaged and -- >> were stolen and embezzled. is that not correct? >> were mismanaged, yes or spent mismanaged. did you pay off a car, did you pay off a car debt with those mismanaged funds? >> no, sir, i did not spent did you increase your salary with those mismanaged funds? >> did i do what? >> did you increase your salary with those mismanaged funds? >> yes, sir, i get. >> so you increased your salary with those mismanaged funds. which we agree the came from hud. >> no, sir. again, no, sir, those funds did not come from hud. that