mr. guttenberg's question. >> i do believe what you're saying is true.at someone like this individual and anyone like him shouldn't have any gun, not this gun, any gun. if you'll indulge me for a minute to explain to you the problem. first you have to define what it is. if you look at the law and its definition, it basically bans 200 models of guns, 220 specific models of guns. >> good. good. >> okay? but it allows legal 2,000 other types of gun that are identical. identical. [ audience reacts ] in the way they function, in how fast they fire, in the type of caliber they fire, in the way they perform, they are indistinguishable from the ones that become illegal and the only thing that separates the two types, the only thing that separates the two types is if you put a plastic handle grip on one it becomes banned, if it doesn't have a plastic handle grip, it does not become banned. let me explain -- >> are you saying you will start with the 200 and work your way up? >> i will explain to you what has happened. >> it's a place to start. we can do that. >> l

mr. guttenberg said, all come down to the role of guns. >> yes, and mr. guttenberg and so many of the other survivors and their families have been so sensible about all of this. there were signals missed, cracks in the system. but the reason our country has this problem is that we allow weapons of war such as assault weapons to be sold freely. it's quite a remarkable moment to have the public's attention and maybe policymakers' attention turned, as it has, to this unacceptable situation. >> and michael, in your book, as you talk about the history of the second amendment, how do you try to correct the record, if you will, about what the second amendment permits and what it doesn't permit? >> well, the second amendment was written at a time when people were worried about the state militias being crushed by the central government under the new constitution. those militias did involve everybody who was a white man, who was an adult having a weapon by law. it's a very, very different time. the u.s. supreme court did not rule that that second amendment reflects

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