mr. hain and miss mcdonald. >> yes, except on items 1, 2, 3 and 5. >> okay 1, 2, 3 and 5 thank you. miss norton ? >> yes. >> mr. walton. >> yes but i abstain on item on page 34. >> thank you commissioner. >> dr. morosy. >> aye. >> we're on item p consent calendar resolution immediate action there are none. item q first reading none tonight. our board member proposals none tonight. the board member's report standing committees we have already heard from the report of the committee as a whole so i would like to ask commissioner joe to provide a report of the meeting of march 13th. >> thank you so the rules committee met and we had two major items we actually had an informational and one was on the vaccination policy and so we've asked the staff we've looked at the vaccination policies that we have and the csba model policies and asked the staff to bring us a recommendation for what changes we would want to make if any to our own policies and that will be forthcoming at the next meeting and we began to look at the legislative issues so you all should have gotten that packet that had the

mr. haines the suggestion is that's too long. what's your take on it? >> well i think that we look at the instance that he actually asked or requested medical attention. he indicated that he was asthmatic, that he was injured, required medical assistance. at that point or that juncture it should have been given to him. a call should have went out to 911 or through the radio system. >> is it up to the discretion of the officer? or is it automatic, mr. haines? our understanding is it's somewhat discretionary by the officer. it's not an automatic that if somebody asks like they do invoking council, if they invoke they need medical help it's not as automatic, is that true? >> right. i think it is somewhat discretionary. it is not a legal right. but it is discretionary. but the fact of the matter is is that it's a simple call. it's a call for medical assistance. and when you have a situation where if you look at one of the videotapes that has been circulating from this incident clearly when he was placed in custody and placed in the van that he had something