virginia, y, mclean, on with lee hamilton. mr. first of all, hamilton, i admired how clearly discussed ately you issues. i love maybe an academic like the ideaat i of a war of ideas. isis e given that the people are enraged and all. would wonder what placate this. in that i believe it's true that the borders of syria and iraq artificially created after i mean, it just -- father used to say was being ever mindful of needs of others. the sunnis and the shiahs have hating each and other for thousands of years. be possible for them to just let -- let the sunnis have their areas, the shiahs their areas. lucy, thank ght, you. lee hamilton? guest: well, i think the she ioner is correct -- points out that the conflicts in are deep seeded. they go back not years, centuries. shiahs, the sunnis, the the kurds, and so forth. but it's a multiple sectarian divide in the middle east that makes things very, ery complicate in that region of the world. me this argues for some restraint in what we try to do. i don't want to pull back and go isolation

mr. hamilton takes grenades and inches his way along the end of to get over to serrapas. and from there, he can look down hatch and start selling the grenades down the hatch and things up. buts, if you watch john paul jones, he's better peter cushing ng in the first star wars movie. van w him better as dr. elsing killing jessica lee in vampire movies. point he realized, you know, this is crazy. he must have looked at jones as sailors did and said this guy is going to kill all of us. how do they battle? do they sort of battle the navy?sh never good enough to go fleet-to-fleet. they were engaged in two, three ships against each other. right. >> one of my favorites, we talked about the odd couple of earlier d mcneil, and n that cruise, they run into superior british ships. like nley who doesn't maicon and maicon said, come to my ship. hey encounter a fight with the fox. it's being won by manley. mcneil is holding back. it's going their way. he comes in and sails in with to watch the me fox strike its colors and because he's the closest ship, to claim boat over her as a prize

mr. hamilton takes a bag of , and goes over and from there he can look down the hatch and starts throwing these grenades down the hatch and blowing things up. at that point, captain pearson -- coincidently, for you movie buffs, if you ever watch the old " dunkirk pirate -- if you ever watch the old "john paul jones," darth maul'sshing, boss. even at that point, he realize this is crazy. he looked at jones as the american sailors did and said, "this guy is going to kill all of us." very much so. >> [inaudible] did the american's sort of hold their own? you said they were down to two ships? >> they pretty much tried to -- they were never strong enough to go fleet to fleet. they would engage in smaller battles, maybe two or three ships against each other. one of my favorites -- we talked about the odd couple of manley and mcneil. earlier in that cruise, they run shipsome superior british , and mcneil writes that he save manley's bacon, and manley, who does not like mcneil, says come over to dinner. i will treat you to dinner on my ship. i think it's the very next day, they encounter a fight

virginia, y, mclean, on with lee hamilton. mr. first of all, hamilton, i admired how clearly discussed ately you issues. i love maybe an academic like the ideaat i of a war of ideas. isis e given that the people are enraged and all. would wonder what placate this. in that i believe it's true that the borders of syria and iraq artificially created after i mean, it just -- father used to say was being ever mindful of needs of others. the sunnis and the shiahs have hating each and other for thousands of years. be possible for them to just let -- let the sunnis have their areas, the shiahs their areas. lucy, thank ght, you. lee hamilton? guest: well, i think the she ioner is correct -- points out that the conflicts in are deep seeded. they go back not years, centuries. shiahs, the sunnis, the the kurds, and so forth. but it's a multiple sectarian divide in the middle east that makes things very, ery complicate in that region of the world. me this argues for some restraint in what we try to do. i don't want to pull back and go isolation

mr. hamilton, would we be this today if we had not invaded iraq in 2003? knows?who you can argue it any way you want to. if there had been a decision in the united states not to try to itself militarily in these regions but to let them sort out their own problems, my be -- but it's nothing more than a guess that we would not be facing the kind of problems that we had today. we might be facing a whole other et of problems, but not the precise kinds we have today. i must say, i get a little maybe mpatient and probably i should not, but i get a little mpatient with the analysis of the recent past because you can either way. what's important at the moment is to figure out what to do with isis and to try to think forward to move ahead on that question, learn from the we can, but focus on the future and the resolve the isis ems of the future and is certainly in that category. host: alvin in brooklyn on our line.ndent thanks for holding. you're on the air with lee hamilton. morning.good thanks for your broadcast. i wonder, why couldn't we if done, have eady intelligence

mr. hamilton, i thank lee hamilton and tom kean for trying to get 9/11 commission report portions declassified so the public can be informed. guest: well, that's very important to us. the commission didn't control the question of classification of the materials it collected. that's done by the executive branch. i want all of the 9/11 materials to be on the public record. they should be. i don't see any reason to classify it. host: chris, buffalo, democrat. go ahead. caller: yes. it seems to me that the last me we actually won a war was the first war in kuwait. we actually paid for that war because george bush sr. raised taxes and basically got voted out of office. do you think the republicans hat run the congress now would actually want to pay for anything that we do now instead of running us back into debt? >> well, i'm a firm believer in paying your bills on a current basis. we haven't done that. we like to get into the wars, fight the battles, and then not pay the bills and let the debt pile up. that's not a good way to run the country. that's not the way we should run the united states. so

hold the reigns of government, and i could detail a more despicable opinion which general hamilton expressed of mr. bur, but i won't, because letters these days tend to get stolen from the mail and printed in newspapers by political enemies. and of course, what happens to cooper's letter? it's stolen by political enemies and published in a newspaper. so that happens, it's public, bur loses the gubernatorial election not necessarily due to the opposition, but he was humiliated. he had essentially first been ousted from the vice presidency and publicly voted not good enough to be voted for governor. he began to feel desperate to prove he was a political leader especially to supporters who were beginning to doubt him. why cling to bur as a leader if he couldn't offer you anything? no patronage, no influence? some said this quite literally as one put it, bur had to fight back, quote, if he tamely sat down in silence, what must have been the feelings of his friends? they must have considered him a man not possessing sufficient firmness to defend his own character and consequently unworthy of their supp

mr. bloodsworth you are under arrest for first degree murder of dawn hamilton, you son of a bitch. somebody said. >> nine-year-old dawn hamilton had been brutally raped and murdered just two weeks earlier. her body found near this bond in a wooded area. >> stuck my head in the police car and that was the last time i seen cambridge, maryland for eight years, 10 months, and 19 days. >> that's the time you were in prison? >> yep. two years on death row. for something i didn't do. >> baltimore county police put out a sketch of the suspect based on the description given by two little boys, who saw dawn walk in to the woods with a man who offered to help her. the cops used a kid an array of noses, mouths and eyes to help the children describe the face. it sounds to me like mr. potato head? >> it is. it's an random arbitrary box of eyes, ears, noses, faces. they start out with like the facial outline then add the hair, then eyebrows and a nose. >> using the crude tools of the kid. the kids helped to assemble an image they didn't think looked exactly like the suspect. >> they asked the kid

mr. gallatin must have felt? he came in. he does not like that. he does not like the federalist agenda of taxes. he does not like hamilton's programs.e writes something called the sketches of american finances, a bit of an attack on hamilton and his system. he says every nation is enfeebled by public debt. he is using debt. he is debating taxes in congress. we know he likes the bank by now. it is quite a turn of events. by march 1813, gallatin writes we have hardly enough money to last to the end of the month. what is the answer? private investment bankers step up. they are going to underwrite $10 million of the $16 million. they're going to get a sharp discount to do this. they're going to buy it at $88 of face. that is mr. gallatin on the left. let's look at the investment bankers. stephen girard happened to have been born in france. he is one of the richest men in the country. two other americans, john jacob aster and david parrish, both born in germany. we have frenchmen and germans who will help swiss born gallatin save the united states. what is going on is a syndicate and perhaps even the birth of true american investment ban