mr. hamm and mr. burnett have different views. both believe the same benefits and potential pitfalls exist for their preferred policy position. lower prices if the senate follows their advice. higher prices if we do not. the question becomes, how can this be? we have two very thoughtful individuals and they have diametrically opposed views. is this a lack of knowledge? is it possible that different regions of the country would be affected in different ways? if export restrictions are lifted, is it possible that america would see prices go up in some parts of the country and down in other parts? i want to hear the four of you weigh in on that. >> i think it comes down to one example i can give. recently, a spokesman for a large refinery in the united states, talking about the nationwide export ban. he told the market recently, it provided a particular unfair advantage in the market. they were seeing pressure on refineries outside of the u.s. and closures occurring. this year projected about -- last year, half a million barrels. 1.6

mr. hamm is a native of australia. now, mr. ham, you offered to go first. you will be first with your five minute opening statement. >> good evening. i know that not everyone watching this debate necessarily agree with what i have to say. i'm an aussie and they tell me i have an accent. it doesn't matter what i say some people tell me, we like to hear you saying it. the main topic is this, is creation a model of origin. when this was first announced on the internet, there were lot of states like this one, scientists should not debate creationist period. this one from the one discovery.com website, should scientists debate creationist. i believe there's a gross misrepresentation in their culture. we think being indoctrinated to believe that creationist can't be scientists. i want you to meet a modern day scientist who is a biblical creationist. >> i am a professor of engineering in the u.k.. i have published over one 130 scientific papers on design and engineering. work, i foundh civet -- scientific evidence that creationist to have the best expedition to or

. >> mr. hammnd his followers have this remarkable review of a worldwide flood that somehow influenced everything that we observe in nature. a 500-foot wooden boat, eight zoo keepers for 14,000 individual animals. every land plant in the world under water for a full year. i ask us all, is that really reasonable? >> joining me now. the reasonable bill nye the science guy. bill, i watched the debate. i was riveted. you were fantastic. i asked people on twitter what they want me to ask you and one of the most common questions i got was, ask bill how he was able to maintain his composure and poise under that kind of, well, ignorance, i guess, is what most people on twitter were calling it. >> well, what did i tell you lawrence, thank you, first of a all. i take this business very seriously. i say this all the time. if we raise a generation of students who does not know and appreciate the process of science, let alone the facts of science, we're headed for trouble. and i say this first of all as a citiz

and to mr. hamm and his followers this is something that we in science one. want the ability to predict and your assertion that there is some difference between the natural laws they used to observe the world today and the natural laws that existed 4000 ago is extraordinary and unsettling. i travel around and i have a great many family members in danville, virginia. one of the u.s.'s most livable cities, it is lovely. i was starting along and there was a sign in front of a church from a big bang theory, you got to be kidding me, god. why would someone at the church, pastor put that sign up unless he or she did not believe the big day was a real thing. i want to review briefly with everybody why we except in the outside world, why we except the big bang. and when hubble -- there you go. you got to be kidding me, god. edwin hubble was in pasadena. you can see where the rose parade goes. in the early 1900s, the people who selected the site-excellent site. the clouds and smog are below you and edwin hubble sat there at this very big telescope studying the heavens

the explanation provided by traditional science of how we came to be, we find as mr. hamm alluded to -- a sequence of animals in what generally is called the fossil record. you find a sequence of animals, a succession. as one might expect when you're looking at old records there is some pieces seem to be missing. a gap. scientists got to thinking about this. they are frogs and toes -- toads. people wondered if there was not a fossil or an organism, and animal that had lived who had characteristics of both. people over the years had found in canada there was clearly a fossil marsh. a place that used to be a swamp dried out and they found all sorts of happy swamp fossils there, ferns and animals and fish that were recognized. people realized with the age of the rocks as computed by traditional scientists this would be a reasonable place to look for in animal, a fossil of an animal that lived there. they found several specimens. they made a prediction this animal would be found and it was found. so far it cannot make predictions and show results. here is an externally one tha

. >> thank you, mr. hamm ton. ~ hampton. >>> good afternoon, my name is stephen [speaker not understood], and this is really a no-brainer. i mean there is nothing i can say or anyone else can say that would make any difference. i mean, this is so obviously something that needs to be passed. i just wanted to say that i'm for it and it's one of the best pieces of legislation i've heard in a long, long time. i support it. thank you. >> thank you, mr. taness. >>> hello, my name is [speaker not understood] ramo and i'm in support of the fair chance act. if you don't have opportunity, you don't have hope. you don't have hope you can't move forward in life. we want to give people an opportunity. thank you. >> thank you. >>> hi, my name is natalie lions. i'm a san francisco resident and attorney with equal rights advocates. we are a women's rights organization based here in san francisco and i'm here to speak especially for the women that we serve in san francisco. these women are blocked from employment solely based

and to mr. hamm and his followers this is something that we in science one. want the ability to predict and your assertion that there is some difference between the natural laws they used to observe the world today and the natural laws that existed 4000 ago is extraordinary and unsettling. around and i have a great many family members in danville, virginia. one of the u.s.'s most livable cities, it is lovely. and thereting along was a sign in front of a church from a big bang theory, you got to be kidding me, god. why would someone at the church, unlessput that sign up he or she did not believe the big day was a real thing. i want to review briefly with everybody why we except in the outside world, why we except the big bang. hubble -- there you go. you got to be kidding me, god. in when hubble -- edwin was pasadena. you can see where the rose parade goes. in the early 1900s, the people who selected the site-excellent site. the clouds and smog are below you and edwin hubble sat there at this very big telescope studying the heavens. he found the stars are movi

mr. hamm, how could there be elegance of stars more distant than six dozen years of the world is only 6000 years old? it's an extraordinary claim. another astronomer remark to first about the reasonable man. is it reasonable that we have space, older by a factor of 100. we have trees that have more tree rings than the earth is old. we have rocks with rubidium and strontium and uranium and potassium argon that are far, far older than you claim the earth is. could anybody have built an ark that would sustain better than any are, anybody who is able to build on the earthquakes if you're asking me and i got the impression you were, is transcendence creation model viable? i say no. absolutely not. one last thing. he may not know in the u.s. constitution from the founding fathers, is the sentence to promote the progress of science and useful arts? kentucky voters. voters who might be watching online in places like texas, tennessee, oklahoma, kansas. please come you don't want to raise a generation o

mr. hamm's presentation. [applause] >> and you know, it did occur to me when you had my old friend larry king up there, you could've just asked him. he's been around a long time and she's a smart guy. he could probably answer for all of us. [laughter] now, let's all give attention to mr. nye as he gives us his 30 minute presentation. >> take you very much. mr. ham, i learned something, thank you. let's take you back around to the question at hand. does content creation model holds up? is a viable? so for me, of course, well, take a look. we are here in kentucky on layer upon layer upon layer of limestone. i stopped at the side of the road today and picked up this piece of limestone that has a fossil right there. now come in these many, many layers, in this vicinity of kentucky, there are coral animals, fossil. and when you look at it closely, you can see that they lived their entire lives. they lived typically 20 years, sometimes more than that. when the water conditions are correct. so we are standing on mil

mr. ken hamm is the president and co-founder of answers in genesis. >> everyone's entitled to their opinion>> evolution isn't an opinion. it's fact. ? and that is your opinion. >> you can't observe the age of the earth. >> they're wildening you with not science. >> pat robertson is dismissing ken hamm's creation story. >> we have skeletons and dinosaurs that go about 65 million years. to say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense spp. >> that doesn't make sense. >> god's in charge of all this, but we've got to be realistic. let's not make a joke of ourselves. >> and today's top trender, sandra dee. >> politics in your future? >> maybe someday. >> sandra fluke is running for office hoping to land a senate seat in sacramento. >> sandra fluke turns her sights towards a state senate seat. >> fluke had been considering running for congress in this district. she said, "i'm committed to continuing that fight in sack." >> i've seen the impact that an individual state senator can have on setting the conversation. >> joining us tonight is sandra fluke, social justice attorney and cand

the explanation provided by traditional science of how we came to be, we find as mr. hamm alluded to -- a sequence of animals in what generally is called the fossil record. you find a sequence of animals, a succession. as one might expect when you're looking at old records there is some pieces seem to be missing. a gap. scientists got to thinking about this. they are frogs and toes -- toads. people wondered if there was not a fossil or an organism, and animal that had lived who had characteristics of both.

mr. ken hamm. >> reporter: it's a debate that's been going on for years, creationism. >> i take genesis asation museum ken hamm taking on bill nye the science guy. the two squared off in a 2 1/2 hour debate that aired online. >> your view that was suppose to have taken place is more important than what i see with my own eyes. >> we do see a collapse of christian morality because generations of kids are being taught the bible can't be trusted. >> reporter: at one point they argued over whether noah could have realistically built the ark. >> to me it's just not reasonbling. >> why would you say it's unskilled? i didn't meet noah and neither did you. >> reporter: the national center for science education told cbs news it finds such debates counterproductive in part because, quote, for a scientist to engage in a formal on-stage key bait with a creation nift is to legit ma tiez the creation nift's position. >> please, you don't want to raise scientists who don't understand how we understand our place in cosmos, our place in space, we need to innovate to keep the united states where it is in the

mr. panetta later said there was, quote, no question in my mind it was a terrorist attack. so has this kind of been glossed over, what carter hammorist attack. the top officials of this country go to the white house, one of them at least saying and believing it was a terrorist attack, and then for 13 days what we get is, it's a dopey movie, a dopey movie, a dopey movie, a dopey movie. >> which was ludicrous from the beginning. i mean, so we're supposed to believe that a group of angry men having watched this youtube video somehow assembled a collection of rpgs and mounted a coordinated attack over a series of hours on a u.s. position? come on. i mean, it just never made any sense. but, again, i'm unsatisfied -- and i think anybody watching this should be -- as to why? why would they go out of their way to tell such an obvious, such a transparent lie? what was the point? eric: that's the allegation, and he may be called back to capitol hill. so we'll see. tucker, we'll see you this weekend. >> thanks a lot, eric. eric: martha? martha: some severe weather causing this, a roof rips right off of a building, and there were people ins