. >> it was hard for me to believe that time had passed, and i know, mr. hamm, that you attended the first march... >> yes, yes. >> ...and this time, you took a couple of busloads of folks. what was the big difference, i think, between not only the mood, but also the makeup of the crowd was slightly different this time. >> right. well, the most obvious differences were the theme. in 1995, the theme was "atonement, reconciliation, and responsibility." the general call went primarily to black men in 1995, and estimates were that there were as many as 1.8 million people there in 1995. the 20th anniversary, the theme, as you said, was "justice or else" with the emphasis upon, one, the problem of police brutality and the murder of unarmed folks

your feeling that it answered the call for this generation, as mr. hamm said, in a way -- maybe in a different way, but similar to the first one 20 years ago? >> well, i think that this call was timely. we are now in an era of real political unrest in this country, social unrest in this country on the backs of eric garner and michael brown and freddie gray and scott and so many others across the country. it was a timely call. the opportunity for us, who are coming on the heels of immediately before us, to be able to address that call and to be able to answer the call and to be able to participate in this historic event was both personally satisfying, but it was also, i think, politically expedient. what we saw at this march was a whole new generation of leaders -- not folks that have just sprung up overnight, but people who, like myself, have been in the streets working for years and years, who have been laying the groundwork alongside people like mr. hamm and attorney hardy, but who are now maturing and coming to a point where we are ready to step forwar

hamm. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> again, thank you all are being here, you'll have to forgive me, i have laryngitis, this is about as loudly as i can speak. i do want to say that officer -- [ inaudible ] -- has been one of the most upsetting incidents i've experienced. as chairman manning said, it was outrageous and unforgivable, and it does not represent who this district is. we do have separate protocols for disciplinary incidents and criminal behavior. school resource officers are typically involved in the latter. it is essential that our personnel clearly understand, not only the nature of the situation, but also the application of the proper protocol. clearly something did not go right in this classroom. working closely with the sheriff's department and independent, federal, and state investigating agencies, we are examining exactly what happened. one of the actions we will be taking is to strengthen our training efforts -- >> you've been listening to a press conference at the school district there i