mr. ickes," who was course was harold ickes, the secretary of the interior, the old curmudgeon. she not only had to call him, she had to go to see him and persuade him to revoke an order that adversely affected the 10th district. and she did, and he revoked it. and her story of how she became, turned herself, into the lady bird johnson that we know today -- with her poise and graciousness and dignity -- was to me, really i just said, "i'm going to tell this story in full." c-span: you did 10 interviews with her? >> guest: yes. c-span: where? >> guest: well, they would either be in the library, or once or twice they were out at her ranch. she has an office in the library. c-span: and when you interview someone -- and, by the way, how many interviews did you do for this book ? >> guest: well, i never counted. it's obviously many hundreds. c-span: did you tape record them? >> guest: no, i don't tape record anything. c-span: longhand or shorthand? >> guest: i have my own shorthand. if it's necessary to get a paragraph or two, every word, i can do that. c-span: how come no tape recor