mr. harold will think. i need to get closer and closer to the herring and call to him in this way. hello mr. herring. the herring will think. that is strange, if you want to catch me, why is he getting further away. i don't understand. do you under stand? actually i'm going to be getting closer and closer to the herring and i make my voice smaller and smaller, so the herring will think i'm going away. it's very interesting and what will happen next. i sneak up just behind the herring and i say, what. what will you say? i can't hear anything. >> that's idea i make my voice smaller until i make no sound at alright. so the herring will think, he's gone. well, no fun today i guess but any way i am safe. and at that moment i capture him. what do you think of my wonderful idea. great. very good. very interesting. i'd like to see you try it. thank you and can you suggest a good place to catch and find many snow herrings. sure. into the temple. why don't you go there. thank you. i go now. going into the temple, the temple gate is closed for the night and the temple wall is too high for me t

mr. murdoch, sir... >> bergman: in 1981, two years into thatcher's first term, he was allowed to circumvent monopoly rules and buy two more papers: ttimes of london and the sunday times. harolds was editor of the sunday times. he believes this was a critical moment. >> the seeds of the corrupt relationship which exploded in the phone-hacking scandal were actually there all the time in news corp. >> i don't like this at all. what's the point of this section? >> bergman: to get around the monopoly rules, murdoch had made promises to parliament to stay out of editorial decisions. >> if you don't listen to me, it'll be your fault, not my fault, if it doesn't work. >> bergman: evans says the promises meant little to murdoch. >> what's this about? oh, no! >> the promises to parliament were broken with impunity. and that was the moment when everybody should have realized that the government was so scared of rupert, he could do anything. >> bergman: in 1986, murdoch did something no one else dared to do. in a secret operation, he built a new printing plant. he then fired his union print workers and moved his four papers to the new plant, in london's dock area called wapping. he took

harold. >> i'll just, i have to respond to that last comment as well. [laughter] you know, we're confronted with this with mr. gadhafi as well. >> yes. >> it's, it's a question of timing. gadhafi was not under indictment when the international criminal court was triggered, its jurisdiction triggered over libya by the u.n. security council. there was a fair space of time before any indictment came down, and there was an enormous amount of dialogue at that point or shall we say, perhaps, monologue at that time suggesting to mr. gadhafi, you have an opportunity. you are not yet indicted. take it, seize it, go to a country that is a sanctuary from icc jurisdiction. that opportunity is in your hands right now. take it. finish -- now, if they don't take that opportunity and they decide to stay until the day they are indicted, then i think the dynamic changes. they are indicted fugitives at that day. mr. assad has that opportunity right now. there's not even any jurisdiction over him yet by the icc. but he has the opportunity as a political leader, as someone who's presumably has some smarts in all of this to under

harold ford jr., democrat of tennessee. he's come flat out in a "wall street journal" article today, an says reverse course, mr. president, build the pipeline, speed up the drilling permit process, and above all stop beating up on oil. that's what he's saying and that is putting a great deal of pressure, along with other democrats on the president. now, martha at $108 a barrel, that's what oil has just gone back up to, it's possible that that is a high enough price to trigger an immediate response from the president, which would be, open up the spigots on the strategic petroleum reserve. he talked about doing that last week and the price dropped to a buck and a half. it is possible that will come back on to the front burner given the pressure the president is under. martha: we want to show you sort of -- what the president has said on this issue, in terms of not having a lot of control over gas prices, from basically late february to mid march on this. take a lock a look at this. >> while there are no silver bullets, short term when it comes to gas prices, and anybody who says otherwise isn't telling the truth

harold in an awkward position. >> you're the same person that defends the tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans, tax cuts for industries. shareholders own exxon mobil. this is not a mrexxon mobil. you've defended grover norquist in the past who has made it clear he wants no tax increases. you and i have had this discussion. if you're going to put me in the box -- >> you're mischaracterizing my position. >> you've done that with me then. exxon mobil is owned by shareholders, other oil companies. where they do wrong, we should take them on. but if we want to reduce oil prices, reduce gas prices in this country, we can't have it both ways. we can't only say we're going to cherry pick and be about the energy sources we want to support. i don't want to be put in the box of supporting oil companies. >> you did a good job. you talk about iran. let's get there. tensions in iran are looming over energy costs with heightened concerns with an -- >> you're going on and on, harold. >> stop it, boys. >> you were afraid you gave somebody a 30-second tv ad in a future campaign. >> harold ford loves big oil. that's right. while grandma pays $6 a barrel, harold ford wants them to get