mr. harrell's office? >> my best recollection? you know, like i sd earlier, i was -- it was between 9:30 and 9:40. you know, i can't pin it down to a certain time because i wasn't watching. >> ay. when you ran into mr. murray, when he told you that something bad had happened, do you recall or do you have an estimate of the approximate time whe you encountered mr. murray? >> it would have to be approxately 9:45, you know. >> okay. when you saw the -- >> counsel? >> yes? >> may i terrupt? >> absolutely. >> back to the initial couple questions mr. godfrey asked you with regard to did you hear alarms or did you see something and your response was i don't know, was that because you didn't hear it? >> that's because i -- i mean -- i mean stuff was happening so fast i don't know what i heard and what i didn't hear. i don't know. i mean, i -- >> yes. i just want to make sure. >> i mean, i don't know. >> his question was a yes or no answer and i just want to clarify you what meant by i don't know. that's all. >> well, you know, yes or no t