mr. harrell.ransmission shortage poses a directive to the energy security you recommend permitting new lines will be absolutely necessary. suggesting there ways to move more electronics over existing power lines. how would you balance those things. how much growth, having great availability from moving more electronics over the same lines versus how much will we need to solve by actually building new. >> thank you for the question and for your leadership in these areas. we need both went which comes to shove the this scale that we have to do over the coming decades here is immense. new transmission and increasing the infrastructure. >> big new progress will be more building new or new technology? allowing electronics to run more smoothly. >> given the scale of rising demand, we will need to build significantly more energy infrastructure. >> you do not have a sense, electronic efficiency and transmission, you don't -- >> an educated guess 75-25. more infrastructure. >> that is what i figured. a cou