mr. hart's concerns. i think we have addressed this before. >> for all intents and purposes hide holding a vital piece of the meeting results in the likelihood that the public will be discouraged from participating. i believe this is done with intent to achieve that purpose. i was at the meeting on the 22nd. you were gone in closed session for four hours. when you returned i was the only person in the public who remained, and as a result, everything else on the agenda, three other items were handled like that without any of that nasty public comment or without anybody being able to hear. it sort of reminds me of what went oth on in bell, california, where the city commission was meeting and giving themselves a bunch of raises and i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't do it the same way, arrange it so the public is discouraged, do it when you want in the time manner you want in the frame you want and discourage public comment. i think you know you are doing it. i think the intent is to do it. commissioner