to take guns from guys like the deacons, who are guys like hartman turnbull over here or any of these guys, lee moore, down in cleveland, or mrsmagee on her farm out there in lafleur county. >> so, i've been studying the freedom mom for a few years, and also looking at food systems, and agricultural systems, and it's interesting to see how many connections between farmers and this issue of guns and power. you look at hartman turnbull, fanny lou hamer, her freedom farm corporation, also looking at the republic for new africa -- public of new africa and they slogan, free the land. land seems like it's crucial to this equation so my question is do you think that the story is more about guns or more about land ownership? >> i think the story is about freedom. and part of achieving freedom has to do with land, at least some people thought that in greenville they had sharecroppers strike. and sometimes the idea of freedom revolved around guns, just staying alive inch it's possible to have a discussion of land. i'm not sure whether it would be a meaningful discussion at this point. because unless you're a big land owner in mississipp