mr. hawkins. what disciplinary actions would the national association of college admission counseling take if one of its members was found to be engaging in a type of behavior revealed by the gao investigation? >> typically our enforcement is that we could -- if our internal admission practices committee found that there was a violation, could censure the member who was in violation of -- if it was a violation of our ethical principles, could censure them and prevent them from participating in certain programs, pinneding a change in the practices, or if they deemed it appropriate according to our bylaws could expel the institution from membership. >> okay. the gao investigation shows admissions representatives refusing to allow prospective students the opportunity to speak with financial aid office. how does that differ from admission counseling practices at public and nonprofit schools? are there legitimate reasons why they would not provide access to financial aid offices to the students who eit