mr. hayden referenced the departments that have the regular contact with the gas stations and the, department of public works, and the fire department, and apparently, carry out the regular inspections of the gas station and so they might be a better department to house the enforcement mechanism and we have not approached them yet and that will have to be the conversations to carry and i think that would be a way to add it to the regular duties without having to reinvent the wheel >> so i think that it is fas tas tick and i think that the cognitive processing that you were talking to us about is exactly what the issue is on a lot of these things, consistent, daily small, recognizable, you know, reinforcements, of matter a lot, especially when you are talking about the climate change and repeating the conversation over and over again, matters a lot. and i share commissioner wald's concerns about the language and the way that this is articulated. and a prior life, i ran a business that this is what we did every single day, five days a week, we sent out a little note to people to how to be more

mr. hayden, and other heads of the cia and the officers themselves. unfortunately, we will really never know that because senator feinstein and her staff decided they would not interview any of the officials were the operators or analysts, the professionals who actually carried out these interrogations, to find out why they did it and whether they gleaned useful information from it. so senator udall going to the floor, calling our professionals liars, i think is untoward. guest: that goes to why the american public needs to see the report. we have the right to make judgments for ourselves. on steve's point on how the senate committee did not interview all the relevant actors, they relied on primary evidence. look at the footnotes in the executive summary. there are some 3000 footnotes in the 500 pages. they are replete with references to e-mails, to live communications, to what was happening on the ground in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006. i think this is why we need this information out there, so the american people can make their own assessment ab

mr. hayden prosecuted.we follow the rule of law we have to enforce it equally from top to bottom. >> what do you think the legal reaction will be from the international community, carlos, if any. >> well, i think the president has been very clear on this and he's correct that we have to practice what we preach. we cannot go to foreign nations and tell them all the wrong things that they're doing in the world and they can look at this report and nothing in this report came as much of a surprise, it shouldn't, to the public, the bottom line is we knew there was torture going on, it's inhibited our ability to relate to other countries internationally. guantanamo is a horrible black stain and frankly causes the president to not have the credibility to do what he wants to do international with these kind of black marks. >> heather where does it go from here? how do we mop it up? >> what i would like to see is cia oversight reform so we can be confident more members of congress are getting more extensive informat

mr. hayden and vice president cheney, some of the other people that i've seen and read their thoughts onhose were the guys that were front and center. and for ms. feinstein to say that the leaders in both the house and the senate on the intelligence committee was not informed of this is just not true, and i believe they knew exactly what was going on and gave permission for it. here again, this was another political whack at the president, former president bush, and trying to make themselves look good, trying to make us look like we're friends to the world, when the world is not friends with us. lou: congressman, i want to turn to the spending bill. the $1.1 trillion spending bill that has been moved in the house. earlier today, congressman matt salmon of arizona said he and 50 other congressman were adamantly opposed to this bill for a variety of reasons, but principally because it doesn't go far enough in their judgment on a host of issues, among them immigration, despite the fact that homeland security is only funded through february. your thoughts. >> there's a lot of people voting f

page 15 of the summary, it makes it very clear that general hayden testified before the committee on this. secondly, the group of folks, including mrharlow, general hayden, and others who have organized this website, cia save lives.com, they actually posted mr. brennan's letter to the committee from june of last year in which they made it clear in that letter that they had affirm opportunity to look at this. specifically mr. brennan talking about the agency review team. let me just very quickly address one more point here. >> quickly. >> the notion that the interrogations disrupted plots is completely refuted by the summary, i'll finally say this. i would love to see the entire report revealed because if jose rodriguez wants to try to make the case that there are false hoodz in here, let's get the whole record out there so folks have the opportunity to truly somewhere for themselves. >> okay. i'm being fair to both sides here. the last thing that i want to ask you because please answer this for me. is it more humane for president obama to kill people andors around those people, with drone strikes or to use some of the techniques th

mr. hayden, and other heads of the cia, and the officers themselves.will never really know that because senator feinstein and her staff decided that they would not interview any of the officials, operators, analysts, or professionals who carried out the interrogations to find out why they did it and whether they gleaned useful information from it. senator udall going to the floor on his way out the door calling our professional intelligence agents liars, that is untoward. i think that that's why we needed to see this report. we need to make this decision for ourselves. on the primary evidence. if you look at the footnote in the executive summary, there are some 3000 notes replete with references to e-mails, to live communications, to what was actually happening on the ground 2006.1, 2002, 2003, and this is all the more reason to get that information out there, so that the american people can make their own assessments and whether in fact senior cia officials were misleading congress. host: we are learning a new , enhancedew term, eit interrogation tech

hayden this. >> what if you, god forbid, members of your family had to undergo some of the treatments we are reading about in this report? >> mr. williams, innocent americans died at the hands of terrorists and you compare them to a general's family? i'm embarrassed for you and for nbc and for those on the right, senator mccain, this goes for you. >> i dispute wholeheartedly that it was right for them to use these methods. >> senator, stop apologizing for keeping america safe. those procedures were legal and effective. and here's the thing. senator feinstein and all her colleagues were aware of enhanced interrogations. now they want to call out the cia. well, we're calling you out for your hypocrisy. see, your weak-kneed response to terror does nothing, nothing, to make terrorists hate us less. it does, however, make america less safe when politicians like you cry foul for political gain. i'll leave you with this, the next time you feel sorry for terrorists, here's a little reminder of why we interrogate th time. willis report is next. have a good weekend. liz: bye now. gerri: hello, everyone. i'm gerri willis. it's a bitter p