mr. hayden: these were very edgy decisions. they were done out of duty. we never did it because they observed that they deserved it, as some people's just should do the future. this is not looking at the past. it is about gaining life-saving intelligence. what we did was up to the edge as defined by the department of justice in the totality of circumstances as we knew them to be. necessity, proportionality, distinction. changedot the agency, i some of things because i have different circumstances. this was not saying this was an appropriate for those circumstances. we had two statutes that change the legal underpinning. we knew more about al qaeda, we threats.ter sense of i thought we could do away with the program, but at we could make adjustments. getting back to proportionality that needs to govern our actions when we have to make these difficult choices. people at the agency believed the record justifies the program. the people at the agency believed we acquired information not otherwise available or not otherwise available in a timely manner from doi

mr. chairman. and dr. haydeni appreciate you coming by the office not too long ago and having a good visit. you are a very distinguished, accomplished lady and also want to give a shout-out to your mom since she's got strong arkansas ties. i think through helena, if i remember right. >> helena. >> so that makes her very special. like i say, you're special, but she's very special. we touched on a few of these things. you know, there's been a lot of talk about the copyright, you know, the challenges there. but besides the copyright, what would be your biggest priorities? what do you see as the biggest challenges with the job as you come in? >> with the -- thank you, and especially for the shout-out for helena. i must say my mom was very thrilled when i put the pin on the arkansas state for her and everything. one of the biggest challenges now that the technology infrastructure and securing that base for all operations including the special operations, copyright and the congressional research service has special i.t

mr. chairman and thank you dr. hayden not just for your service but to the visit to a lot of our offices for a chance for us to get to know you preceding this hearing, i appreciate that. i think in that conversation, , and so myalked purview is with the library of congress. if everything goes according to plan i think will get to know each other very well. i want to ask, first of all you mentioned the new chief information officer which i understand is working well. but there is also a new division called the international outreach. time early, but how much you have had to look at this, i libraryyou said your has used the service is many times, i don't know if you have any thoughts on that particular part. dr. hayden: i smiled because i had another wonderful session with the head of the newly formed national and international office, it is six months old, and its mandate is to expand the outreach of the libraries programs and exhibits throughout the country and the world, and is being led by the college.esident of a looki