mr. henderson -- chairperson hur: we're talking about the expert witnesses. the mayor may call one of the three witnesses. >> and henderson is a principal in twitter's till we have invited a declaration. i'm not sure where presented herein -- i do not think that has been stated. what facts he would testify to. with all due respect, you opposed including a declaration from mr. henderson. >> i did. the commission decided we would get a declaration. we went through that. we had not made an alternate

mr. henderson? >> he is responsible for coordinating different criminal justice agencies within the city. he would be able to hear about their role of the share of having to make decisions on discretionary budget matters and to work with other agencies within the city and how the existence of probation sentence of faxes ability to participate in those discussions. -- affect his ability to participate in those discussions. that is relevant to whether his conduct fell below the standard that is expected of chiefs of law enforcement agencies, which is to not put themselves in the position of making decisions that will effect them in their personal position. sheriff mirkarimi is going to be on probation for three years. he is gone to be making a decision in matters -- a decision on matters that affect him. there are a lot of coordination matters where the sheriff has to make decisions on what is going to happen with offenders, whether they will be incarcerated, or subject to house arrest. these agencies

mr. henderson -- chairperson hur: we're talking about the expert witnesses. the mayor may call one of the three witnesses. >> and henderson is a principal in twitter's till we have invited a declaration. i'm not sure where presented herein -- i do not think that

mr. henderson -- chairperson hur: we're talking about the expert witnesses. the mayor may call one of the three witnesses. >> and henderson is a principal in twitter's till we have invited a declaration. i'm not sure where presented herein -- i do not think that has been stated. what facts he would testify to. with all due respect, you opposed including a declaration from mr. henderson. >> i did. the commission decided we would get a declaration. we went through that. we had not made an alternate determination as to whether his testimony will come in but we will get a declaration from him. you have an objection to the sheriff's experts and the procedure of choosing from one, too, or three. >> we object to any of them, to choosing even one. they're not relevant as commissioner renne said. on that basis and the basis of relevance, we would continue to maintain an objection to any of those witnesses. chairperson hur: you have a standard -- an expert on the standard of care. you do not think you need either of them? >> respectfully, commissioner, we're prepared t

mr. henderson, to offer the acting sheriff to talk about the current responsibilities. in particular, to talk about the particular relationship between the sheriff's department's and probation. we think that is probative. if you wish for us to narrow down the approach to the question and not to focus on cooperation with other city agencies, or not focus on the efforts of the probation department, and why those are polluted, or why it is that inside the sheriff's department, there are conflicts with the duties, we are happy to limit that. but there is not one person who can testify to all of those things. we do believe they are all relevant and all important and worth hearing. even if the commission finds it to be overkill, we do not know what the board of supervisors is ultimately going to conclude when they reviewed the record. we would ask that the commission air on the side of over inclusiveness for that reason. even if you do not want to hear testimony, even if you want to bypass this witness, we would like the opportunity to get this important testimony into the re

mr. nolte. >> good afternoon. my name is paul henderson. i have a lot of familiarity with the task force and i've worked with them over the years. there's a number of really strong candidates both that are reapplying and new candidates that are applying. so i was just here to -- in support of several of the new candidates that are coming in from different organizations. i'll be brief and who they are. kitt grant from the national black journalists association, which, i think it's important, you know. i know this is a city that embraces and welcomes diversity so i'm really excited to see the depth of the candidates that are coming here now to sit on this commission. also, david sims whom i've known for a long time, both from being active in the gay lesbian community but also in the legal community, i think he'll bring a depth of knowledge and commitment to the position. also, my friends from alice, outside of this building, who have been particularly active and that's owen stephens and louise fischer are great people that i've known for a lo

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mr. henderson has no knowledge as to any of the underlying facts about this case. he can come in. we are suggesting he permit -- he be permitted to testify by declaration. somehow, even though he spoke to the mayor, that is not relevant? i said -- i respectfully disagree.

mr. henderson has no knowledge as to any of the underlying facts about this case. he can come in. we are suggesting he permit -- he be permitted to testify by declaration. somehow, even though he spoke to the mayor, that is not relevant? i said -- i respectfully disagree. >> does anybody here think we should receive a declaration from mayor agnos? no? >> not for the purpose -- not from what we have heard tonight. >> why do we need to hear from phil bronstein? >> he spoke with ivory madison regarding the underlying facts of this case. his testimony is relevant to ivory madison's credibility, and relevant to what i remember some actively said regarding the underlying facts of the case. she told something different to mr. bronstein. i guess it is hard to compare. are you expecting to receive testimony that is different from what you expected her to testify about? >> we have not been able to talk to mr. bernstein directly. >> how do you know it is going to be inconsistent? >> because he has told others that the only thing that he talked to ivory madison about was whether madison could

mrs. henderson will be deanne, doug, and chris. >> good morning. i am a resident of district 10. today i am here is a staff person for supervisor olague in district 5. we received quite a bit of correspondence. i wanted to make sure you were aware of what the supervisor has received in her office from members of different neighborhoods. we have gotten a number of letters from the lower haight, particularly around the commercial corridor and 55 laguna. we're wanting to bring it to your attention that there is a significant amount of interest in bringing 55 laguna into the district as well as keeping the haight street recorder complete. we have received correspondence from the [unintelligible] and want to be sure to highlight that sunset feel connected mostly to the haight and panhandle. they feel like they would be disconnected if they were cut off and included interdistrict for. -- into district 4. we have received several letters in the past few days from residents on grove and schrader. [tone!] we want to make sure we support the constituents who have reached out to us. we want

mr. henderson said about a couple of candidates -- david sims as well as kitt grant, is true, very impressive presentations. so i think there's a lot of commonality here and unfortunately with this process, not every one of us will get every one we'd like to see but i'm -- i think the people i spoke to are people -- spoke about are people that i'm open to but would be willing to see what else people think. chairperson kim: thank you. i think i can say the same. like i said, i'm incredibly impressed by the qualifications and the commitment of the applicants that are here before us today and i know many of you are working into this very knowledgeable about what the task force is like and have attended or listened to meetings and i appreciate that work in advance. i was very impressed with the following people -- michael kwan who works with kim and does a lot of work around digital and electronic media. david pilpel who has served on us the re-districting task force and is incredibly knowledgeable, besides being able to cite our city charter, he has a strong commitment and his ability to attend