mr. herrara's introduce to the latest good government guide. >> so please be prudent, understand that no publication can substitute for the careful consideration of the application of laws to specific conduct. very frankly, the only thing that they have been interested in the last four years is keeping the comments of the members of the public with whom they disagreed out of the official record and summarizing them and sensoring them. >> thank you, mr. hartz. >> now, we would like to hear from... >> i am sorry? >> the library. >> library commission? >> thank you. >> good evening, commissioners. i will be brief. i am sue black man and the library commission secretary and as you know we did hear this previously on february 25th, not these exact minutes, but very similar minutes and similar finding. and at that time, the ethics commission found that there was no violation of the sunshine ordinance, and since that time, the library commission following the lead of the ethics commission, in the modification of its own limits has adopted a similar modification to its minutes. and we adopted th