mr. hethmon you worked with the people in arizona. why did they feel this bill was-- this law was necessary? >> well, this is 9 cumulation of an effort by senator pierce and other legislators since 2004 to deal with the federal government's failure to develop a viable, sustainable immigration policy which means control of the illegal immigration and the reduction of legal immigration to sustainable levels. they have-- are tired of waiting and believe that the crisis has reached a point in arizona that they had no choice but to continue in the direction that they've been going. >> reporter: congress i want to go into the merits but first what about this argument that the action of federal action sort of gave arizona a place to need to go ahead with something. >> i would generally agree with that. but the absence of federal action is kind of ironic that senator pierce, the father of this legislation has opposed any federal initiative whether it is the strife act, whether it is the dream act, whether it is ag jobs bill. any path to legal