. >> commissioner hirsch. >> mr. lionisio, i have some questions for you again. i'm trying to get a feel, a better understanding, of what your view is, of what you ended up doing in he can on land, so you were there for many years, right. >> i ran the program from 2006 to 2012, so six years. >> six years, and you left in '12, is that right. >> i left? '12, yes. >> and at the time you left, were you satisfied with the program you are overseen or did you feel as if there was a problem with what oakland had done? >> i was -- i was satisfied to a point. we grew so much over those six years, i don't know if satisfaction is a good word to describe it. we would -- we would hit milestones, and then, we would discover, you know, we could make it even better by doing this, and so it was a constant strive to move to the next level, to kind of go where nobody else had gone before, and i was certainly happy with where we were going. i won't say that i was, you know, there was some sort of short coming, and i felt that i left, when i retired, but could we have continued? absol