mr. hodge, defined nation-building. >> it's one of those tricky terms nobody ever really wants to own a and that's one of the reasons i chose to write about it. i'm not using it as a political science to the development sense. using the replete george tebeau bush, barack obama or david petraeus would have used it was just describing the kind of mission of armed nation building but we are involved in that sort of been described in ways as the armed social work and i am trying to describe the phenomenon to the reader that might have this idea that when they look at the news and see what journalists call the bank and from places like iraq and afghanistan and show another picture of what goes on, as of three cups of tea side of the war which is what the military calls the non-kinetic side of things and what i wanted to get was the experience of people who were getting their hands dirty doing these kind of things, rebuilding schools, digging wells and roads, in places like iraq and afghanistan. >> s

joining me now is mr. hodge, one of the guys who destined this particular course. we were looking at the map here. total elevation of 10,000 feet. i have done the downhill portion of mount hamilton. that is already hard enough. but i mean, you just -- how badly are these guys going to be hurting by the end of the race? >> these guys are pros. some are looking forward to the race, some not. a lot of people just trying to get through it. >> reporter: why make it so hard? >> well, days like today we have a comele hard days like this really -- a couple of hard days like this really allows the top pros to set themselves apart from the rest of the field. it's important to get a hard day in. >> reporter: how important is scene try in a race like this? >> one of the things we want to do with the race is showcase california to the rest of the world. we have a great live tv package that's going around the world and it's going to show folks what california looks like. >> reporter: and you know where lance armstrong is? is he going to be here today? >> no comment on that. not

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