hogan: i don't think so. mr. jealous: we have the lowest job growth, low's income growth in the region. gov. hogan: that's not true. mr. jealous: if we have the job growth of virginia, we would have 40,000 more jobs right now. here's the punchline. virginia's job growth is lower than the national average. 49 states with a positive outlook on the economy for this country in the next year, we are not one of them. as a small business person, i've put together a plan to make sure that we put our government on the side of small business people. that we back the states entrepreneurs. we take the office of tech transfer out of the department of commerce and put in the governor's office. i will be actively involved in building more inclusive, robust economy every day. gov. hogan: that sounded really good but not a single word you said was true. we went from losing 100,000 jobs to gaining 100,000 jobs. we had some of the fastest job growth in america. we went from last place in the mid-atlantic region to first place. we br

hogan: i lost track on what it is. mr. jealous: your plan. gov. hogan: here is the plan. mr. jealous: you've rated the lock box my six-year-old rates a cookie jar. you try to pretend like they had endorsed you. they endorsed me because i meet with them. gov. hogan: thousands of teachers are supporting me as well. let me talk about it. the local school systems make all those decisions about how to spend money come how to pay teachers and what to do with the funds. we provided them record funding. the comptroller and i have been pushing these local school systems for four years to take care of some of these issues and problems but they are completely accountable. i have a plan. we are now the second least accountable school system in america because of actions by the legislature, not by me. i want to be number one in accountability. we want to pay the teachers better. it is outrageous and disgraceful that after we gave them 60 me -- $60 million in baltimore city that they were never to fix the air-conditioners and the heat. but that's not the role of the governor, it is the loca

. >> mr. hogan your time is up, let's go to tammy baker of the herled mail. >> the division of corrections spends millions every month because of the lingering shortage of prison staffers. if they are forced to working long hours and safety concerns. the state has taken steps to recruit more officers but the union that rents them says it's not enough how far are you willing to go to fill those positions? >> well you're absolutely right we do have a staffing shortage and the entire state has been working hard to fix that, let's go back to the root of the proob. underprevious administration gangs and criminals were running the entire state prison system. we were going to clean up the entire operation, it resulted in 139 indictments of correctional officers other people working in the correctional facilities and the people they were coordinating with in the private sector. we decided weed need to have background checks and lie detectors and may go sure we weren't hiring more criminals into the system.

james freeman you have a question for mr. hogan. >> yes. thanks.to tap into the home equity, do you recommend it for people looking to pay for college for their kids or no? >> no, not really. i want people to save up, get scholarships and grants but don't tap into your equity. according to this study, 44% were tapping into it to be able to consolidate den debt and 31%e tapping into it for education expenses. we need to slow down. we don't want to move debt around, consolidate, all of that, not at all, i want people to attack debt, get it out of their life. school, higher education is available, there are ways to do it without going into debt and without robbing yourself of equity in your home. dagen: you're asking me to make a lifestyle change. if you get used to spending a certain amount of money, going out to eat a certain number of times, that's a tall order. >> it is, dagen. you're right, it's about lifestyle. it's about choices. i want people to learn from my mistakes. i did home equity loans. i did that thing years ago. that's why i'm guiding

mr. trump last year. rosenstein denies "the times" report. >>> maryland governor larry hogan wants four more years. ben jealous wants his job. and both men squared off in the first and only debate before november's election. it was taped this morning outside of baltimore. both men outlining w they'd be best for that position and arguing over health care, gunro cont the economy. >> my four-year record is clear. we've led the nation, we've increased jobs, increased wages and you just can't keep making up these stories. >> governor, please. you can go to benjealous.com. all the -- i'm not going to go to benjealous.com. >> all of my plans are there. >> a poll released by last week shows that governor hogan is leading jealous by 22oints. 54 to 32. >>> and a reminder, news 4's hosting a live debate with the candidates for virginia's u.s. senate seat on wednesday night. senator tim kaine will square off against republican challenger cory stewart. that debate will be moderated by nbc news political directorto chuck, with questions from news 4's julie carey. you can watch it on nbc 4 fuzz or stream it live