mr. holling? >> if we were given a dollar amount by the b.l.a., we'd be happy to identify $250,000 to give back. we don't think cutting back the civilianization is the way to do it. it's the qualitative aspect of these services, not the dollar amount. we're happy to work with the b.l.a. to identify $250,000. >> chair fewer: that is very good to know, mr. holling. so confer with the b.l.a., and i'm wondering if you're willing to come back after conferring with the b.l.a. -- we'll take a break -- after lunch. i think the thing about the dollar amount, we are hearing you. we have heard from years, we have heard from your deputy sheriffs how they resent you making them work mandatory overtime, and taking time away from their families. my husband was in law enforcement for 35 years, but i want to say we have heard you, and we applaud the fact that you requested a controller's report on staffing and you are trying to follow the recommendations. what we don't applaud, quite frankly is unwillingness or pe