mr. hollyman and mr. ausby. your very clearly qualified in your experience and background. very strong community support. we have gotten a ton of letters on your behalf and you have come to my office several times. i appreciate your persistence in your interest in the sea. i would like to support mr. ausby for seat number two. in seat number four, mr. watkins was not here today but i was impressed by him a couple weeks ago. i know he commutes from sacramento but has been incredibly active serving patients. and kenneth lima, your tireless dedication to patients is great. it is nice to know that you are related. i would be leaning toward supporting mr. watkins today. any thoughts? supervisor elsbernd: sure. obviously, no problems with 6, 8, and 10. i fall on the other side from seat 2 and 4. i was impressed with leonard watkins, but i think it is a mistake to choose someone from sacramento. sacramento is a big commute in this is a very active task force. to ask someone -- not to ask him, but to reject a qualified sentences than for someone that far away and think is a bit of