mr. holten and i did that and had a conversation. i contacted the usa and he said, where there was not conversation there is conversation. where they were not in the same building, they are leasing -- they're at least in the same room. he does not care if they call it in or out of the jttf. it is baby steps is what he told me. he seems somewhat satisfied what -- with what is going on over there. they are not fully immersed. they are moving towards that and i have officers that are in the process of getting clearances. i cannot comment on that. it is not in my hands. i also took time out to contact the sac in oregon, greg fowler. i told him about my presentation. he gave me some information and said he explained to me how the impart information to or again, if there is for example, some crucial -- crucial information, it would come from washington, d.c.. unless the orders came from washington, they would get information that was pertinent to their city. that was all the information he told me that i can speak in a public forum about.