mr. horbal had a assuming mr. horbal has the medallion and cannot drive and mr. horbal allow somebody else to drive for him who meets the criteria of being licensed type a, the other criterias? >> absolutely. even when we were young and healthy if we drove five days a week. let's say there were 14 hour shifts in the week. the taxi to just sit idle four hours. if i go four or five shifts, that leaves another nine shifts where a qualified licensed driver would be serving the public with that operating medallion. that's exactly correct. >> commissioner: all right. so, in fact, the equity in the lease and i'm sure that the representative from the city will comment on all these questions, so the equity from the lease is really that ability to leverage that medallion for further use of the car by a qualified driver beyond that of the medallion, the issuance of the medallion so the equity of the lease is that ability. so what you're saying -- i don't want to do your testimony for you but i want you to affirm that by that you're -- that mr. horbal as the lessee is -- can

mr. horbal. i originally attended the hearing of the taxi commission in 2003 when you supported the decision that ms. rivera could retain her medallion and the similarity in these cases is very interesting because ms. rivera was in a wheelchair and so is mr. horbal and the reasoning behind the decision was because of a.d.a. now, if we fast forward to 2010, that decision that the city attorneys are talking about was actually passed on to the nineth circuit court of appeals which the city attorneys don't want to refer to and the city of san francisco signed an agreement allowing the four people with -- that were represented by the national chair to have an option of either holding the medallion or selling that. in 2010, the then director of the m.t.a. taxi division instituted a buy-back program for k medallion holders. and, the condition of the buy-back program was, you had to be 60 years old or disabled. and, this was because of a.d.a., the transportation code makes no account of a.d.a. and you ca

mr. horbal had a assuming mr. horbal has the medallion and cannot drive and mr. horbal allow somebody else to drive for him who meets the criteria of being licensed type a, the other criterias? >> absolutely. even when we were young and healthy if we drove five days a week. let's say there were 14 hour shifts in the week. the taxi to just sit idle four hours. if i go four or five shifts, that leaves another nine shifts where a qualified licensed driver would be serving the public with that operating medallion. that's exactly correct. >> commissioner: all right. so, in fact, the equity in the lease and i'm sure that the representative from the city will comment on all these questions, so the equity from the lease is really that ability to leverage that medallion for further use of the car by a qualified driver beyond that of the medallion, the issuance of the medallion so the equity of the lease is that ability. so what you're saying -- i don't want to do your testimony for you but i want you to affirm that by that you're -- that mr. horbal as the lessee is -- can