mr. horowitz or mr. perkins but i will open it up to all of you.what happened in 2010 to change the existing law? >> i was not the inspector general at the time but my understand is that the memos and decisions from the legal counsel at the fbi followed several oig reviews of the handling of national study letters exigent letters and other oig reviews because there was no other change in the law, no policy change, no regulatory change. that same law section 6(a) said that, says the same thing today, grand jury title iii credit information didn't change either. so there's certainly no legal issue that occurred in 2010. >> well, based on the reasoning of the olc opinion i'm not sure congress is capable of passing anything more comprehensive been saying all. i don't know the anybody have any words you would suggest we would include in that statute that would clarify this that i'll really does mean all? i noticed some people are chuckling. it is laughable. it is laughable and it's really completely unacceptable. this is unfortunately part of the politi

mr. horowitz: there is no other, i think, solution at this point. ms. klobuchar: mr. horowitz, under the office of legal counsel's opinion, there is three types of information here. you mentioned the title iii, the credit reporting act information. it's as we know highly sensitive and confidential -- and we certainly had some breaches lately. what do you have in place to prevent data breaches? mr. horowitz: we very much work with the agency that is providing the information, if it is the fbi, dea, if it is another component on how to make sure that we have protected the information. if it is grand jury information, we comply with the grand jury statute. same with the others. we did a review of the president's surveillance program. probably the most sensitive review with the highest level of classified and protected information. areas where we were told individuals in the white house, some of whom didn't know we were getting access to. to this day, we have cap to that information secret. we are always prepared and have always protected the information as needed. ms. klo

mr. horowitz: correct. the g.a.o. found that. senator mccaskill: so you aren't in position what it cost what a home detention program versus prison would be, correct? director samuels: since that time, once the finding was made, we've been working to isolate those costs. senator mccaskill: ok. how are you doing that? director samuels: we put together procedures within the division, staff who are responsible for the contracting oversight to monitor. senator mccaskill: ok. there were 784 of the 855 applicants for the elderly release program that were denied. 784 out of 855 were denied. can you explain why they were denied that massive amount? these are all elderly. these are not young people. director samuels: i can take your concern back, but from the knowledge that i have regarding this, many of those individuals, it was dealing with the issue of being eligible based on a criteria that was put in place. senator mccaskill: who sets the criteria? director samuels: the criteria for the pilot? senator mccaskill: yes. director samuels

mr. hurwitz. -- horowitz. horowitz: the justice system faces two interrelated crises in managing the system. budgets, thisight path is unsustainable. since fiscal year 2000, the bureau's budget has nearly doubled and now accounts for 25% of the discretionary budget. funding than any other doj components, and it is the second largest component of the doj trailing only the fbi. drivers of the increase, in addition to the increased prison population, is health care, which costs over $1 billion in 2014, a 61% increase since 2006. this rapid increase can partly to the agingd prison population. the population of inmates under age 50 actually decreased by 1%, including a decrease of 29% for inmates under age 30. iss demographic shift notable because aging inmates cost more to incarcerate. we also lack appropriate staffing levels to address the needs of the aging inmate population. for example, while social workers are uniquely qualified dojssist aging inmates, the employs only 36 social workers nationwide. with furth

mr. horowitz provided i want to provide you with specific examples of how the opinion impacted my officeeven before the opinion was released. this is not just a justice oig problem nor limited to law enforcement data. earlier this year we began an audit of the international trade administration enforcement and compliance business efforts. in april of 2015 the audit team determined the oig needed access to business proprietary information submitted to ita during proceedings and requested the data. both ita and the department of commerce, office of general council, raised concerns that providing the business proprietary information would be a violation along with the federal trade secrets act could expose the department to criminal litigation and penalties. the department's office of general council reached out to the department of screesjustice legal council on this matter. olc said they were coming out with an opinion expected imminently that would provide a framework to advise on this subject. in light of the potential criminal penalties, the department's office of general council concl

mr. horowitz in your opening comments you made reference to whistleblowers. do you think the protocol will affect the ability for whistleblowers to report misconduct? >> it's a concern for a senator. because all no longer means all section 6a employees throughout the federal government whether it's the justice department or other agencies now where before they could come to us with information knowing that understood -- section 6a we had a right to access them and they think twice. should they come to us with that? how many objections does my agency have two producing? you heard the department of congress has an issue and we know the peace corps i jihad an issue. the epa ig hatted issue with access to information because their agencies looked at their laws and said we are not sure how to get that information. that's a very substantial concern. it's nice that a lot of lawyers can sit around and write pages about this issue to try and deal with the niceties of the legal issue but we are talking about employees who aren't lawyers who have identified waste and fr

mr. horowitz how would you describe the working relationship, and the time to completion on getting a fix of this? are you working well together? do we need to accelerate the process? >> we have had productive meetings on a fix. i, as chair of the working with our legislative committee. we anticipate getting back to the department very quickly because we want to be back here at the end of august before the committee working with the of august, working with staff, having a legislative solution ready to go. every day that goes by where there is not the specs inspectors general -- where there is not this fix inspectors general are stuck and going back to my earlier point millions of government employees have uncertainty hanging over them as to whether they can go to their inspectors general with problems that they see resulting in waste, fraud, and abuse in their agency. senator tillis:

mr. horowitz. >> mr. chairman, ranking member carper, members of the committee, thank you for inviting me to testify today. the justice department faces two interrelated crises in managing the federal prison system. costs continue to rise while federal prisons remain significantly overcrowded and in an era of tight budgets this path is unsustainable. since fiscal year 2000 the budget has nearly doubled and accounts for 25% of the department's discretionary budget. the b.o.p. has more employees than any other d.o.j. component and the second largest budget at the d.o.j. trailing only the fbi. one of the drivers for the price increases in addition to the increased prison population is healthcare which cost the bureau prison forever $1 billion in 2014, a 61% increase since 2006. this rapid increase can partly be attributed to the aging of the federal inmate population and a recent oig report we found the number of in mates age 50 and older increased by 25% from 2009 to 2013. by contrast the population ofib ma

mr. horowitz. >> thank you chairman, ranking member and members of the committee. thank you for allowing me to testimony today and thank you for your strong bipartisan support of the inspect general community. the problem of our access to information is a relatively new one. prior to 2010 neither the justice department nor the fbi questioned our legal authority to access all documents in its possession and we obtained grand jury wire tap information without legal objection and without the need tr for a legal opinion. it would be hard to imagine how we can conduct oversight if we were prohibited from reviewing information like grand jury and wire tap information. the oig always handles information with great care and we fully and completely care with all statutes limiting the use and disclosure of such information. indeed, we have been provided with access to some of the u.s. governments most sensitive information to conduct oversight and there has not been a single occasion in 27 years where we accused of mishandling such a situation situation. however in 2010 this

mr. horowitz. >> thank you, mr. chairman, ranking member leahy, members of the committee.thank you for inviting me to testify today about the critical importance of inspector general access to information. and thank you for strong bipartisan support of the inspector general community. the problem of our access information is a relatively new one. prior to 2010 not at the justice department or the fbi questioned our legal authority to access all documents in its possession and we obtained grand jury wiretapped and credit information without legal objection and without the need for a legal opinion. indeed, it would be hard to imagine how we could conduct effective oversight of the fbi and dea and other law enforcement component if we were prohibited from revealing information like grand jury and wiretapped information that the agency's frequently used. the oig always handle such information with great care and we fully and completely comply with all statutes limiting the use and disclosure of such information to indeed we have been provided with access to some of the u.s. go

mr. horowitz if i can, i don't want you to feel like i was ignoring you in this hearing. are you concerned about the growth of private prisons that contract with the bop, and what have you endorsed that these prisons are accountable to the public? because we have real issues with these contracts with a toast costing us about $51 billion for taxpayers taxpayers. and these are for-profit companies. 33,830 press certificates were held in private facilities in 2010 and that number has broken to over 38,000. i'm concerned about oversight. and then there's a lack of reporting. information that's just -- i can get a lot of information easily from the prisons that are being run by the director. but there's this unbelievable, really offensive to me, lack of information and data about our private prisons and what is going on there. and so i want to ask part of that question, then i'm done, just wait for the answer. is the abuse reports of immigrant detainees. now i understand these folks are not american citizens, but they are human beings. and the report of abuse at our private pr

. >> thank you inspector general horowitz. mr. fliets i do notteny your task. and it has been long standing. and according to the bio, you began as a correctional office in march of 1988. can you just -- because we've all quoted statistics here, in 1980 the prison population in the federal system was 25,000 and now it is over 200,000. can you just give us your perspective in terms of what all has happened and what you witnessed over your career? >> thank you, senator. from my perspective, having joined as a correctional officer in 1988 and around that time the bureau's population was a little more than 60,000. i think historically when you book at the bureau of prisons and go back from 1940 to 1980, the bureau's population pretty much remained flat for many, many years in excess of 20,000. so in 1980, which is the primary target for this discussion, we, as an agency, we had approximately 24,000 inmates in the federal system. we had less than 9,000 employees, 41 institutions and able to operate the entour bur ---en tour bureau of prisons for $330 million. so whe

mr. horowitz. >> mr. chairman, ranking member carper members of the committee, thank you for inviting me to testify today. the justice department faces two inter related crisis in managing the federal prison system. costs continue to rise while federal prisons remain overcrowded and in an era of tight budgets this path is unsustainable. sis fleef 2000 the budget has doubled and now accounted for 25% of the department's discretionary budget. the b.o.p. has more employees than any other component and the second largest budget trailing only the fbi. one of the primary drivers for the cost for the increases in addition to the increased prison population is health care. which costs the b.o.p. over $1 billion in 2014, a 61% increase since 2006. this rapid increase can partly be attributed to the aging federal inmate population. in a recent report those 55 and older increased from 2009 to 2013. by contrast those underage 50 decreased by 1%. including a decrease of 29% for inmates underage 30. this demographic sh

horowitz. the inspector general for the department of justice. the office of the inspector general has identified special areas increasing safety and , security risk for inmates and management of the passionate release program. mr. horrowitz: the justice department faces two interrelated crises in managing the federal prison system. prison costs continue to rise while federal prisons remain significantly overcrowded. in the era of tight budgets, this path is unsustainable. since 2000, the bureau of prisons budget has nearly doubled. and now counts for 25% of the department's discretionary budget. the vop has more than any other component. trailing only the fbi. 61%th care costs the bop a increase since 2006. recent oig report, we found the number of inmates aged 55 and older increased by 25% from 2009-2013. by contrast, the competition of -- the population of inmates under age 50 decreased by 1%, including 29% decrease for under age 30. this demographic shift is notable because aging inmates cost more to incarcerate. institutions lack appropriate staffing levels to address the needs of the aging inmate population. for example while social workers , are are qualified to assist aging inmates, we found that the ph

i'm elliott horowitz, a former member of the intelligence community and the state department and the world bank. for mr. kenyan, i have a question, what is the rate of progress of our major adversaries with the people's republic of china and the federation in terms of rapid propulsion. >> we'll begin with jim and work across the panel. >> well i characterize the use of additive manufacturing among the services as islands of experimentation. and in many ways driven by either individuals or -- units that i have an inherent interest in innovation. though some concrete examples of how it is being used in the field would be the deployment of additive manufacturing machines with so-com. i mentioned the dog bone for the antennas and there has been modification of weapons so that they are -- rather than being mass produced, they are more custom fit to individuals. and there is some -- an example of something used for a sling underneath the helicopter that was made in the field. again, i would say, that this is not in any way new. and in fact, when you start talking about the navy, it is in the navy's dna to do