mr. horwitz, go ahead.: when he held the million man march, it hundred thousand blacks -- 800,000 blacks followed him. this is much more than 500 idiots in charlottesville who defended a statue and got a permit. the violence came from the anti-leftist crowd. they came looking for a fight. these jerks gave them what they wanted. theres why trump said were good and bad people both sides. the problem is the distortion. one reason why trump got elected was the democratic attacks on trump were ridiculous. people say we have the videotape. it is clear what he said about mexicans at the border. there are a lot of drug dealers coming through, a lot of criminals. hundreds of thousands in jail who got here illegally. if you do not have a border, you cannot screen people. not only for the criminality, but diseases. tuberculosis has wiped out as we have turned. there are drug-resistant diseases. we do not know where they are coming from. we have hundreds of thousands of people pouring across the borders illegally. trum

mr. horwitz. he cannot interview any of the people who have led the department of justice were fbi. he has no subpoena authority. so all of the people who were part of the plot and were in doj and the fbi are gone. he can't talk to them. all he can do is review documents and talk to whoever is left to do that. what we need is a federal grand jury with a prosecutor, doesn't have to be a special counsel, and by the way, let's remember why we are here. we are here because rod rosenstein, a political coward, someone who was inadvertently made deputy attorney general, appointed robert mueller illegally with no evidence that any crime had been committed. and here we are, more than a yeare later, with nothing having been determined except that there was no rush in collusion. all of these people having been put through hell because rod rosenstein couldn't do what he should have done, not only is he conflicted because he was a witness, and he signed some of the warrants, guess what, suppose there was activity, which i believe there was, that went beyond the law. rod rosenstein is not only a

mr. horwitz is the right guy but i think we need a special counsel. >> martha: a second special counsel? >> this just really stinks to high heaven. i'm all for mueller doing his job but there's not one democrat who seems to care one bit about the fact that all this is happening. can you imagine the shoe on the other foot? someone was investigating trump and the head of the fbi investigating team hated trump and like clinton? it would be on the front page -- what if the republican party had hired somebody to go to russia to get dirt on clinton? it would be all over the front page of every newspaper. >> martha: thank you. good to see you, senator. hillary clinton will be headlining a major democratic campaign event. is that a good idea for democrats as they go forward? plus, if vice president pence undermining president trump in his own 2020 shadow campaign? >> what about these articles about your shadow campaign operation that you you are seeking to exercise expansive control over the political party that is ostensibly homed by president trump? >> [laughs] today, we're renewing our commit