>> mr. huberer i'm kicked in the face runs up as i'm sitting up to try to get up and get to the police, i'm on my back, and mr. huber runs up. he as i'm getting up, he strikes me in the neck with his skateboard a second time. >> then what happened? >> he grabs my gun, and i can feel it pulling away from me, and can i feel the straps starting to come off my body. >> and what do you do then? >> i fire one shot. >> and after you fire striking we now know mr. huber, what do you do? >> i lower my weapon, and i see mr. grosskreutz with his hands up. as i'm lowering my weapon, i look down, and then mr. grosskreutz, he lunges at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head. >> you heard mr. grosskreutz' testimony about reracking in. >> yes. >> did you rerack your weapon? >> i did not. >> could i have the exhibit, please? >> showing what's been previously marked exhibit 28, do you recognize this? >> i do. >> now, when somebody -- as mr. grosskreutz said, rerack, is that this? >> is that this? >> i call i

>> mr. huber immediately after i'm kicked in the face runs up as i'm sitting up to try to get up and get to the police, i'm on my back, and mr. huber runs up. as i'm getting up he strikes me in the neck with his skateboard a second time. >> then what happened? >> he grabs high gun and i can feel it pulling away from me and the strap starting to come off my body. >> and what do you do then? >> i fire one shot. >> and after you fire striking mr. huber what do you do? >> i lower my weapon and i see mr. gross kris with his hands up. as i am lowering my weapon i look down and then mr. gross kreutz lungs at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head. >> you heard his testimony about reracking. >> yes. >> did you rerack your weapon? >> i did not. >> could i have the exhibit, please? >> showing you what has been previously marked exhibit 28, do you recognize this? >> i do. >> now, when somebody as he said rerack, is that this? >> yes. >> do you call it reracking? >> i call it putting a light rocket in

>> mr. huberimmediately after i'm kicked in the face runs up as i'm sitting up, to try to get up and get to the police, i'm on my back, and plmr. huber runs u. as i'm getting up, he strikes me in the neck with his skateboard a second time. >> then what happened? >> he grabs my gun, and i can feel it pulling away from me. i can feel the strap starting to come off my body. >> what do you do then? >> i fire one shot. >> after you fire striking who we now know is mr. huber, what do you do? >> i lower my weapon. and i see mr. groskreutz with his hands up. as i'm lowering my weapon, i look down and then mr. groskreutz, he lunges at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head. >> you heart mr. groskreutz's testimony about reracking? >> yes. >> did you rerack your weapon? >> i did not. >> can i have the exhibit, please? >> showing what's previously marked as exhibit 28. do you recognize this? >> i do. >> when somebody would, as mr. do you call it reracking? >> i call it charging. >> and to recharge you

. >> mr. huber is holding a skateboard like a baseball bat and he swings it down and i block it with my arm trying to prevent it from hitting me, but it still hits me in the neck. as i block it, it goes flying somewhere off in the distance. >> and do you stop them? >> no. i get lightheaded. i almost pass out and i stumble and hit the ground. >> okay. >> i'm on my back. and mr. huber runs up. he, as i'm getting up, he strikes me in the neck with his skateboard a second time. >> then what happened? >> he grabs my gun and i can feel it pulling away from me and i can feel the strap starting to come off my body. >> and what do you do then? >> i fire one shot. >> after you fired, striking now we know mr. huber, what do you do? >> i lower my weapon and i see mr. grosskreutz. he lunges at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head. >> did you re-rack your weapon? >> i did not. >> reporter: that contradicted gaige grosskreutz testimony. he said rittenhouse tried to reload his gun. rittenhouse said he onl

huber. that will be strike number one. remember in opening statements when mr. binger said, oh, something happened to his skateboard. he took a swing at him. kyle blocked it with his arm in the enhanced photos. what does mr. huber does? runs, grabs a skateboard and runs in for more. >> he's on the ground. the most vulnerable position you can be in. what do we have? anthony huber here already picking up his skateboard. this guy with the towel wrapped around his head coming in at kyle. jump him, man. guys hit him in the head. they go forward just a little bit. you saw this individual over here is now -- kyle points his firearm at him. he backs up. kyle does not shoot. jump kick man is leading with his foot. his foot is still on the ground. what direction is kyle pointing right now? watch what happened after jump kick man kicks him in the face. he's turned around. he's looking in that direction. anthony huber coming in with a skateboard. watch what anthony huber does with the skateboard. blow to the head. coming in, kyle is trying to get up. anthony huber's hand go

. >> mr. huber is holding his skateboard like a baseball bat and he swings it down, and i block it with my arm trying to prevent it from hitting me, but it still hits me in the neck. and as i block it, it goes flying somewhere off in the distance. >> did you stop them? >> no. >> i get lightheaded. i almost pass out and stumble and hit the ground. i'm on my back. mr. huber runs up. as i'm getting up, he strikes me in the neck with his skateboard a second time. >> then what happened? >> he grabs my gun and i can feel it pulling away from me and i can feel the straps starting to come off my body. >> and what do you do then? >> i fire one shot. >> after you fire striking we now know mr. huber, what do you do? >> i lower my weapon and i see mr. grosskreutz. he lunges at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head. >> did you rerack your weapon? >> i did not. >> reporter: that contradicted grosskreutz's testimony w where he said rittenhouse tried to reload. rittenhouse said he only fired at him when hi

and then mr. huber unarmed with a skateboard went to try to stop what many people thought like it sounded like an active shooter. for there, self-defense i think is much harder and the provocation instruction which in my view is actually quite confusing in the actual jury instructions, but under the wisconsin law, if mr. rittenhouse provoked mr. huber's actions with the skateboard, he can't use self-defense. so that prove provocation argument is much stronger for mr. huber's death because it was really between the i wilkilling mr. rosenbaum and then injuring others that i think that the jury will have an easier time finding mr. rittenhouse's actions unreasonable. >> and let's talk about the jury. these are the first few hours of deliberation before lunch. what are these first few hours like and what do you take away from the first request we received from this jury? >> it is not surprising that they asked for the law. there are so many terms in there, things that they are not familiar with. just hearing

it's just preposterous, and yes, mr. huberheroic in taking that skateboard and holding him down and trying to take that gun. and what happened? the gun stayed attached to mr. rittenhouse. because when the defense concocted this they were trying to take my gun story, they left out that it is literally strapped to him. he shot an unarmed man four times because he was so scared that mr. rosenbaum was going to take the gun away from him when it was attached to him. it's an absolute red herring, an absolute ridiculous argument. imminent threat. not oh, in five minutes after we get beat up, then i might be a threat. imminent threat. you've heard all the videos. i'm not going to go into it anymore great length, but when you listen to the crowd as mr. rittenhouse is running, they start yelling after he's running, get him. also, as people are approaching him at the end, they're asking why did you shoot him? why did you shoot him? these are people that were provoked because they witnessed an attack or heard shots or heard he was attacki

and, yes, mr. hubercting heroic and holding down and taking that skateboard and trying to hold him down and trying to take that gun. and what happened? the gun stated attached to mr. rittenhouse because when the defense concocted this they were trying to take my gun story they left out that it is literally strapped to him. he shot an unarmed man four times because he was so scared that mr. rosenbaum was going to take the gun away from him when it was attached to him. it's an absolute red herring. it's an absolute ridiculous argument. imminent threat. not oh 5 minutes after i get beat up. might be a threat. imminent threat. you've heard all the videos. i'm not going to go into it any more great length, but, when you listen to the crowd as mr. rittenhouse is running, they start yelling after is he running, get him. also, as people are approaching him at the end, they are asking why did you shoot him? why did you shoot him? these are people that were provoked because they witnessed an attack or heard shots

. >> mr. huber. he was holding a skateboard like a baseball bat and he swings it down and i block it with my arm, trying to prevent it from hitting me. but it still hits me in the neck. and as i block it, it goes flying somewhere off in the distance. >> and do you stop then? >> no. i get lightheaded. i almost pass out, and i stumble and hit the ground. >> okay. >> i'm on my back, and mr. huber runs up. he -- as i'm getting up -- he strikes me in the neck with his skateboard a second time. >> then what happened? >> he grabs my gun and i can feel it pulling away from me, and i can feel the strap starting to come off my -- my body. >> and what do you do then? >> i fire one shot. >> after you fire, striking we now know mr. huber, what do you do? >> i lower my weapon and i see mr. grosskreutz. he lunges at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head. >> did you re-rack your weapon? >> i did not. >> reporter: that contradicted gaige grosskreutz's testimony where he said rittenhouse tried to reload his g

i'm on my back, and mr. huber runs up. as i'm getting up, he strikes me in the neck with a skateboard a second time. >> what happened? >> he grabs my gun, and i can feel it pulling away from me and i can feel the strap starting to come off my body. >> and what do you do then? >> i fired one shot. >> after you fired, striking we now know mr. huber, what do you do? >> i lower my weapon and i see mr. grosskreutz. he lunges at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head. >> did you rerack your weapon? >> i did not. >> reporter: that contradicted gaige grosskreutz's testimony where he said he tried to reload. he said he only fired at him when his life was in danger. they questioned him about why he possessed a gun. >> the reason you wanted dominik to buy you an ar-15 as opposed to a pistol is the only reason was because you felt you couldn't lawfully possess a pistol? >> correct. >> you didn't pick out the ar-15 for any other reason? >> i thought it looked cool. >> reporter: the prosecution also tried to bring in evidence th

. >> were you able to determine the cause of death to mr. huber? >> yes. >> what was that? >> mr. huber died from an gunshot wound to the chest. >> is that an opinion given to within a reasonable degree of medical certainty? >> it is. >> why are those details so important? >> we always think of john quincy md or csi and most of them are not like that. they spend their days in a cold room dealing with cadavers and their personalities end to reflect that. kyle rittenhouse was shooting with lethal intent and that's why he killed the two people he did. this testimony plays directly into that. >> based on what you've seen and heard so far, what do you make of the case the prosecution has made so far? >> what i make of this more than anything else is poor witness preparation of gross kroit's yesterday. it should come as no surprise he approached kyle rittenhouse with a gun. if you had an active shooter in a school and a teacher raised a gun at the shooter, no one would think they were in the wrong. for some reason, people didn't see gross kroits that way when he testified yesterday. you

mr. huber holding him back, physically holding him back. right in the middle of it. look at the anger in his face. this, here. i going to start it, but i will point it out first. right here. you see him shoot in the lighter fluid or flammable liquid. this is a calm tuesday evening that mr. binger is alluding to. mr. rosenbaum, this time wearing a blue mask tipping over the porta potty. it was just a little porta potty. the trailer. the trailer is important. he arms himself with chains. here is rosenbaum pushing. he's just a regular demonstrator or misunderstood -- what does he need a chain for? here, three things. blue circle backed up by the fire. look at that bag. does that look like there's nothing in it? what is that? that's not a water bottle, ladies and gentlemen. taking it from right here. right there. those boots would soon be impacting my client's face. run down live here. once again, rosenbaum at the trailer after he's been taken down the street, sat up on that side, and started on fire. you can still see one of the chains hanging from the tongue of the tra

rosenbaum as well as mr. huber. and they're also going to determine whether or not there was an attempted homicide. if more grosskreutz. so they have a lot to do. they're also going to have to see whether or not kyle rittenhouse's defense, which was put on, accurately depicted a self-defense. and whether or not the prosecution disproved it beyond a reasonable doubt. so this is their time to really go through the evidence. i anticipate that they're going to have a lot of questions. there's a lot of legal complexities and keep in mind that there are lesser included charges here. even on the first-degree, reckless homicide, or the first-degree intentional homicide for mr. huber, there are going to be lesser included. so if they don't find that the intention was to kill, they can say whether or not kyle rittenhouse was reckless. but then again, their inquiry does not stop there, because they have to really determine whether or not that self-defense was met. >> gabe gutierrez outside the courtroom, how are things there?

>> mr. huberin a reasonable degree of medical certainly? >> it y?is. >> reporter: so basically, stephanie, he was referring to anthony huber. he is the second person that rittenhouse shot and killed, the first one being joseph rosenbaum. but basically, stephanie, kyle rittenhouse was grimacing during some of the graphic testimony, theth photos that were presente to the jury and right now, the defense is about to resume, trying to paint the picture that rittenhouse acted in self-defense, while the prosecution meanwhile is trying to paint him as an aggressor who was out looking for trouble. again, we don't know exactly when rittenhouse will testify, but it could come today, tomorrow, at some point this week. stephanie? >> david, what are the potential risks andat advantages of rittenhouse taking the stand? >> well, steph, the potential advantage of him taking the stand is,po he comes across as looking as childlike as he does sitting there in the courtroom and the jury just thinks, already, he was in

something that we just received, our producer jason received this from the family of john -- of mr. huber. and as you know, huber, anthony huber was one of the people, the second person shot and killed that night in august by kyle rittenhouse coming at him with his skateboard and making contact hitting kyle rittenhouse. the mother and father of anthony huber said this and i'm going to read it to you so that it is accurate. they said we're heartbroken and angry that kyle rittenhouse was acquitted in his criminal trial for the murder of our son anthony huber. there was no justice today for anthony or for mr. rittenhouse's other victims, josen rosenbaum and gaige grosskreutz. he was shot but did not die. his bicep was blown off and he did take the stand in this case. we should also mention that the mother and father of mr. huber, anthony huber, were not in the courtroom watching all of this and they explained why, they could not take the emotional toll from sitting in trial however members of anthony huber's family were there. his aunt for example was in court watching all of this the machin

. >> mr. huber died from a gunshot wound to the chest, and mr.d from multiple gunshot wounds, entrance wound to front of his body, right groin, and upper back. and a graze wound to the head. >> is it possible before gunshots -- caused all 5 wounds. >> yes. nancy: did i hear him say, rosenbaum had a shot to the back. how can it be self-defense if you shoot someone in the back? >> well, what happened is in is 4 gunshots. what happened to turn him, he was shot in the hip or groin. and you cannot stand on two legs when one of them gets shot out. his pelvis was shattered. that caused him to spin and fall forward. the shot in the back of the not a shot in the back as much as a shot in the deceased who was spinning and falling. the first shot to the hand when he was grabbing the gun. it was through the hand to the pavement, rick cha -- ricocheted and hit him in the they, two wounds from one shot, third shot in pelvis. and when you take this and you blow it out at 1300 miles per hour with one bullet, you knock someone off and they spin around and fall an

i think it's actually quite sickening how mr. huber and mr. are described as heroes when it's on video that they attempted to murder me in the middle of the street. >> what's that message that you think the media are sending by describing them as heroes? >> the message that i get from it is that they are saying you can go out and riot and attack anybody and you will have the support from the media and the politicians to do whatever you want and kill innocent people and if you defend yourself -- if they defend yourself your name hero. that is the message i believe is being spread. >> that's scary. do you have any idea, where you are interested in before this? >> i'm going to get a lot of hate for this but i was a pretty big andrew yang supporter. >> [laughs] were you? you are part of the yang gang? >> i was part of the yang gang. he's a good dude. i wasn't into politics. i didn't know much about trump. i didn't know much about biden. i went to a trump rally because trump supports the police. he's a businessman. that's what i liked about trump.

rosenbaum, mr. huber, mr. grosskreutz and the person that was jumping over you, correct? >> yes. >> so you knew that this was a crowd that would not react very favorably to you going out there and trying to put out fires and interfere with that stuffer, you knew that, didn't you? >> i didn't. >> even after that incident, you still didn't have any idea that this is a crowd that's not going to take it very well? >> it seems like they were more mad at the part of him screaming what he screamed after, not putting out the fire. that's what it seemed like to me. >> and he screams to them, fuck around and find out. >> that's what he screamed to them. >> after they had just tried to light a dumpster on fire, right? >> yes. so. >> what did you interpret that to mean? >> i don't know. i didn't witness in the time. i just grabbed the dumpster a minute after and tried to pull it on to the property. >> because it seems to me he's saying you light stuff on fire, and i'm going to use my gun. >> your honor, that's a total mischaracterization. >> i'll withdraw the question. >> what it see

and by doing so the prosecution gets to argue now that he provoked both rosenbaum, he provoked mr. huberkreutz. if the jurors find that he is the aggressor, that he set all of these actions into motion, they very well could get the conviction they're looking for. >> and rittenhouse's mother gave an interview to sean hannity on fox news, and she made some -- i guess you could describe it as pretty concerning remarks. let's listen. >> have you and your son discussed whether or not if he had to do it over again he would go into a situation like that? >> with kyle, i know him, and he probably would do it again because that's the type of person he is. he always wants to help people, even since he was a little boy. that's all he wanted to do was help people. >> i mean it sounds like something the prosecutors might want to say in their closing arguments his own mother says he would do it again? i mean, what? >> yeah, jim. such a tone-deaf statement. here her son is on trial for killing two people, and mind you two unarmed men were shot and killed by her son, and she's going on tv giving an inte

mr. binger said he knocked his hat off. i don't think that individual was trying to steal kyle rittenhouse's hat. he was trying to take his head off. who comes in next? anthony huber first time. hits him, opening statement, mr. binger, he takes a swing at him. now he blocked. we took the videotape and lightened it up. huber strikes him in the head and arm the first time. jump kick man comes in, kicks him in the face, spins his body 180 degrees. anthony huber comes in for the second lick to the shoulder/neck area trying to take his head off. when he does that, his other hand goes grabbing for the gun. his bare hand on to the gun and pulling it away from kyle rittenhouse. mr. binger wants kyle to sit there and hope and pray to god his strap works and anthony huber can't get the gun. we don't know that. we'll never know that as he's running away from him. a shot as the gun is being separated from his body. you'll see the butt way far away when the shot is finally fired. even gaige grosskreutz was concerned. s that probably the only thing i agree with mr. grosskreutz. gaige grosskreutz, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what kyle did under those fact

. >> were you aware of mr. huber or grosskreutz? >> no. >> you had no knowledge of any of these people prior to august 25th? >> nope. >> fair? okay. so looking back now understanding you're familiar with who mr. rittenhouse is now; correct? >> yes. >> have you had an opportunity to look back on your videos to see if you had captured mr. rittenhouse on video, had any type of contact with him any way? >> i've had no contact with kyle rittenhouse. but i have looked at footage to just go over it, yes. >> and does your footage capture any contact maybe not personal contact, anything you saw mr. rittenhouse doing that evening? >> yes. >> can you describe that? >> so antifa and the rioters were going head-to-head with the police in front of the courthouse and as they were doing so issue the police responded, i think, i believe they called unlawful assembly of some sort, antifa were throwing rocks at the police officers and even trying to get inside the hood of one of the police vehicles and this is all documented on footage i submitted, as

mr. huber and mr. rosenbaum are white and jewish. they are victims.one supporting black lives matter should be afraid. >> are we safe if we let someone like kyle rittenhouse kill people and claim self-defense? do we need better laws? yes. >> what effect will this case have on vigilantyism and self-defense arguments. >> that message is two fold -- one to tell the future and kyle rittenhouses they can engage when vigilanteism. >> i think age with a factor. he enjoyed the privilege of being evangelized. >> i hate to vilify prosecutors. the deck was stacked against them. not the least of which the judge in it many ways had their hands tied behind their backs. >> sean: my message to kyle rittenhouse sue them all. hold them all accountable for their lies and make them pay and follow the law. i would start with joe biden. kyle rittenhouse did not cross a state line with a weapon. he did not travel to kenosha looking for a fight. he was in kenosha as testimony in the case showed cleaning graffiti from the riots. asked to stick around to defend a friend's car

>> then after mr. huber attacks me, mr.ss -- puts his hands up, and then i have my rifle pointed in his direction for about a second and once i lower my rifle i noticed that my ejection port has opened about an inch, and mr. gross said i pulled the charging handle which never happened. i reached forward to close the ejection ports and he sees me doingg that or something and ths time he runs at me and he has his gunpoint directly at my head. >> tucker: did you see the gun? >> i did.uns a >> tucker: did you think he was going to shoot you? >> i did. he had it pointed directly at my head and that's whenid i shoot m one time and he is no longer a to me at that point because he ran off after i fired that shot. >> tucker: did you realize i hit him? >> i didn't know until later. >> tucker: so then what happens? >> there is a person directly in front of me and i point my rifle in their direction, and he puts his hands up, and he's backing up, and i then turn around, start going to the police, and then i hear shots behind me and i t

whether it was against mr. huber, mr. rosenbaum, but i think the force he used was excessive, and it's not what he could have done. it's what, if he had to really use deadly force at that moment, and i think the prosecution was able to prove, because the burden is on the prosecution, that he did not have to use deadly force. i think that's the weak spot, will you will, of the defense. >> i was looking down, patrick, at the makeup of the jurors. there are 18 years. eight men, ten women. it will be narrowed down to 12 tomorrow using a raffle tumblr. two things for you oorps. how much of the closing arguments will stick with these jurors, right? that's the last thing, last impression they get of it, and how much will it matter who ends up in that deliberation room? >> so i'll answer in reverse order. i think it's going to make a huge difference as to who ends up in the box at the end of the raffle spin-outs. theoretically, you could end up with ten females and two males. you could end up with some other combination, eight me

excessive, and i believe that's where the defense is going to be falling down, that shooting and killing mr. huberor instance, i believe the jury will find that was excessive force. those are two prongs, and you can't forget about the use of force. >> on the first prong of that two-prong test, i want to roll a short clip from kyle rittenhouse, taking the stand in his own defense. roll it. >> mr. rosenbaum, mr. rosenbaum was now running from my right side, and i was cornered from in front of me with mr. zaminski, and there were, there were, there were people right there. >> was that compelling, that he himself believed that he faced bodily harm unless he used deadly force? >> absolutely. that meets the subjective prong. that's why the judge's honestly going to allow it, and i think under the circumstances that existed around him, which we can't ignore, objectively, i think it was reasonable. but that's why the first degree of intentional homicide that the government has asked which i believe, i believe the judge will allow second degree of intentional homicide because under the law, if the use of f

. >> if i didn't pull the trigger i thought mr. huber> wounded man said he didn't shoot until he pointed his own gun at rittenhouse. for more than a year while some conservative pundits defended him. much of the media have maligned rittenhouse who after the police shooting of jacob blake did illegally bring an a.r. 15 to the tense wisconsin town. >> it's not good that a 17-year-old vigilante arguably a domestic terrorists picked up a rifle, drove to a different state to shoot people. kyle rittenhouse is the enemy. >> an abc news article called him an alleged white supremacist, despite the fact that rittenhouse and the three men he shot were all white. now, the trial has prompted some of rittenhouse's critics to revise their views. >> what kind of idiot, 17-year-old, gets a giant gun and goes to a riot. this is a tough case for the prosecution because it does seem like he has a plausible case of self-defense. >> and the media have admitted that prosecutors stumbled badly even getting scolded by the judge. >> don't get brazen with me. >> b

. >> not a crowd, a mob was chasing me, as i'm running past mr. huber, he's holding a skateboard like a baseball bat, and he swings it down. and i block it with my arm as i'm getting up, he strikes me in the neck with his skateboard a second time. >> then what happened? >> he grabs my gun and i can feel it pulling away from me. i can feel the strap starting to come off my body. >> and what do you do then? >> i fire one shot. as i'm lowering my weapon, i look down and then mr. grosskreutz, he lunges at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head. >> now, this is his best scenario, except, joey, in putting in those details, we never saw a picture of him having any injury, and you would have one if you got hit in the neck with a baseball bat slash skateboard, the way he describes it. however, to your point, the guy has a gun. he's getting hit. is that enough? >> i think so, because number one, you talk about the person who had the gun, that wasn't the clip there, but so he justifies that. now you pivot to the skateboard. as marilyn mosby knows because p

one, there is no evidence presented at the trial to suggest that mr. huberonist or looter or anything else. the judge said, if you can come up without evidence, you may be able to present it. no such evidence was developed. i want to be clear about that. when it comes to the ruling that rittenhouse cannot be referred to -- could not refer to the victims as victims, i want to say this, first, there absolutely victims. anthony huber, gaige grosskreutz , and joseph rosenbaum were all victims of kyle rittenhouse. the for kyle rittenhouse's decision to come to kenosha and come to kenosha armed with a weapon of war, they would be alive today, period. yes, they absolutely were victims. anthony huber's mom and dad, karen and john come absolutely believe their son was a victim of kyle rittenhouse. in terms of judicial rule and the evidentiary decision whether or not certain terms and terminology should be used in the courtroom, i want to have some caution on wayne yan only because i don't want to be outcome determinative about what with the evidentiary ruling should

then he killed mr. huber who went after him with a skateboard. so i think the jury is asking, listen, what happened in that moment? was he actually in legitimate fear, reasonable fear for his safety? >> caroline kleber joins the conversation. no, he was never threatened that he needed to use self-defense. the jury wants to come back in and see the beginning of this episode. what does that tell you? >> a lot to unpack there, john, as you noted. but i think one of the key issues here even beyond self-defense is remember the prosecution got a favorable ruling with respect to the jury instructions about provocation? and provocation, under that state's law, effectively takes away the self-defense claim. it then sort of gives it back to you under certain circumstances. but i think what we're seeing here, and i agree with kim, that the jury is absolutely taking their civic duty incredibly responsibly, going through piece by piece. and they're really wanting to parse out that footage. i had suspected that there was a very high likelihood that the jury wo

. >> mr. huberthe chest. >> reporter: analyzing autopsy photos, too graphic to show of victim anthony huber and of rosenbaum. >> this gunshot wound is the one that would cause death as a result of the injuries to the lungs and the liver with the hemorrhage and the injury to the organs themselves. >> reporter: rittenhouse looked away as prosecutors played the images of the two deceased men. dr. douglas kelly says rosenbaum was shot four times, with a fatal bullet to the back. >> is it your opinion that the back to front shots to the head and then the kill shot to the back would have been while he was falling or perpendicular to the ground? >> the only way that the trajectories of the gunshot wounds to the right side of the head and the back makes sense is if he's more horizontal to the ground and that is occurring at the time that the last two gunshot wounds are heard on the video. >> reporter: the defense suggesting rosenbaum was moving toward rittenhouse. >> the head wound goes back to front, and f

sarah hughes, her testimony, he reminded mr. huber and his girlfriend that they needed to be home by curfew. obviously not advice that was followed. wish i had been. carry and skirt. i talked about. she talked about joseph rosenbaum being bipolar, being prescribed medication. he had to leave her house after night after walking four miles, talking and an hour and walking another four miles back to downtown where the riots were going on where he could involve himself fully. her story contradicts nathan debruin. he said i just got out of jail and i'm not afraid to go back. he got off his meds the week prior. the videos of joseph rosenbaum show the state that he was in. no proof that he ever took his meds. the first of the candari brothers to testify. he's in the picture with the people that protected his property. he's there. he said he just liked the military garb. why did he get a picture with one of them? how did he get all of these people up? everybody in that picture said that they wanted them there, gave them permission. even domin

most serious charge against kyle rittenhouse is really what we would call murder, right, against mr. huberith the skateboard, who was running after him after he shot and killed mr. rosenbalm. now, that's the most serious charge. if they give the jury the opportunity to opportunity to say, well, we don't think he -- we don't think it was murder, but we do think he was wrong. so if you give a lesser charge then we can say we think he was reckless, and he endangered this man's life in a reckless way, and that could still have, for example, 25 years in prison attached to it. it's not that it's not a serious charge. >> i want to play the dramatic moment from this week in court when rittenhouse appeared to sob on the witness stand. here it is. >> there were -- there were people right there. >> take a deep breath. >> there's been mixed reaction to that. what's your reaction to it, and does it have an impact on a jury? >> it absolutely has an impact on the jury. you know, i think the reactions obviously that those who have been watching the trial who were very upset that a young man crossed state

. >> mr. huber runs up. he strikes me in the neck with his skateboard a second time. he grabs my gun and i can feel it pulling away from me. >> and what do you do then? >> i fire one shot. >> reporter: he then sees gauge grosskreutz. >> i see mr. grosskreutz. as i lowered my weapon, i looked down. and then mr. grosskreutz, he lunges at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head. >> reporter: so rittenhouse shot him once. >> what happened after you shoot him? >> he's no longer a threat to me. >> reporter: during the cross-examination, the prosecution began to paint a bottom line. >> everyone you shot you intended to kill? >> i didn't intend to kill. i intended to stop the people attacking me. >> by killing them. >> reporter: the prosecution pushed further. >> you intentionally used deadly force against joseph rosenbaum, correct? >> yes. >> you intentionally used deadly force against the man who tried to kick you in the face, yes? >> yes. >> you intentionally used deadly force against daniel huber, correct? >> yes. >> you used deadly force against grosskreutz? >> ye

rosenbaum, by mr. huber and so this puts the jurors in that situation, that very chaotic scene and he was having to act very quickly. >> i'll also add to that this witness krcorroborates the defendant and his version of the facts. so you want as much evidence supporting his version of the facts. >> paul, the prosecution as you point out, you have sort of been impressed in the negative sense by sort of how they have failed in some ways. one thing that we have seen is the judge admonish the prosecution several times. there was another heated exchange today. it's been almost daily. but let me play what happened today. >> challenge when you say is there something that i'm saying that caused the face that you're making? go ahead, say what you have to say. >> i have to say, your honor, yesterday i was the target of your ire for disregarding your orders. today the defense is disregarding your order. >> but i was talking yesterday about the constitution of the united states and how the supreme court has interpreted

reasonable doubt that the defendant caused the death of another, with the intent to kill, this is mr. huber, with the intent to kill, and the defendant did not actually believe that the force used was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself, you should find the defendant guilty of first-degree intentional homicide. if you are not so satisfied then you must not find it defendant guilty of first-degree intentional home and homicide and -- as defined in the criminal code which is a lesser included offense of the first degree intentional homicide. there are hierarchies of cases in the law. typically, first-degree is the highest offense and lesser included are crimes that are of the same nature with many common elements, but some differences. so there is a sequence of words that will be submitted for this account and that's what we are going through at this time. so we will take on now -- but let me advise you, you should make every reasonable effort to agree unanimously on the charge of intentional homicide of the first degree before considering the offense of second

they don't know anything about that man mr. huber and his son.shington post", he said they didn't even know, that the stories they told about his son weren't true. he knows his son and his son is gone and they're out there madison and marjorie three names and these people that don't even do their jobs, they don't even work. they get our tax money for doing nothing. are out there tweeting, thinking they're hurting me. go on. your thoughts? >> i saw that tweet from stupid and i just laughed at it because she reflects the soullessness of my party. you heard the anguish of a dad who has stated several times that he and his family have not had an opportunity to even grieve, that had to deal with the trial in which, you know, they felt and i think causal observers would agree that the scales of justice had a little extra weight on them, not so much in favor of, you know, their son's death in terms of dealing with that. when you start the trial by saying you have to refer to him not as a victim, not as a victim but a rioter and a looter but he's a skate

reasonable doubt that the defendant caused the death of another with the intent to kill that -- this is mr. huber -- with the intent to kill and that the defendant did not actually believe that the force used was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself, you should find the defendant guilty of first-degree intentional homicide. if you are not so sats fayed, you mgs not find the defendant guilty of first-degree intentional homicide and must consider whether the defendant is guilty offed edsecond-degre intentional homicide, which is a lesser included offense of first-degree intentional homicides. there are hierarchies of cases in the law. typically first degree is the highest offense, then lesser included are crimes that are of the same nature with many common elements but some differences, so there's a sequence of verdicts that are going to be submitted to you with respect to this count, and that's what we're going through at this final. so we'll take on now the -- let me advise you, you should make every reasonable effort to agree unanimously on the charge of intentiona

mr. huber and mr. rosenbaum are white, jewish, they are also victims, easily made victims because anybody who supports black lives matter should be afraid tonight. >> are we safe if we let someone like kyle rittenhouse kill people and claim self-defense? do we need better laws to protect us better? the answer is yes. >> what effect will this case have on vigilantism and self-defense arguments. >> to be clear, the aggregate kind of understanding that we get from these zimmerman-style verdict, the aggregate message is twofold. one to tell the future and kyle rittenhouses of the world they can engage in white vigilanteism. >> i think age with a factor. but i think it was amplified by the fact that he enjoyed the privilege of being evangelized. >> i hate to vilify prosecutors. they did what they could with the facts of this case. the deck was stacked against them. not the least of which the judge in it many ways had their hands tied behind their backs. >> sean: my message to kyle rittenhouse sue them all.

this is going to show you mr. huber, mr. grosskreutz and the other individuals trying to stop an active shooter using what i would characterize as the least intrusive mean s possible. someone knocks his hat off. thoern huber comes in with a skateboard. in just a few seconds the defendant kills one person and attempts to kill two more and blows off gaige grosskreutz' arm. it's that fast. this someone who has no remorse. no regard for life. only cares about himself. and these folks that are coming at him, the jump kick man, anthony huber, aren't armed. they're not a credible imminent threat to his life. they are trying to stop an active shooter. and they have a right to do so. imagine if the crowd couldn't do that. imagine if they weren't allowed to try and stop someone in this type of situation. after killing anthony huber, after severely wounding gaige grosskreutz, the defendant walked away like he's some sort of hero in a western. without a care in the world for anything he's just done. you know, it is interesting, this occu