carpenter, thank you, mr. hull. we appreciate you being here today. i would like to call the next panel. spent thank you. >> thank you for coming. >> mr. whalen, senior vice president and managing director of institutional risk analytics and mr. ward is an analyst with, so life? soleil-ward transportation research. thank you both for being here today. i asked you for your opening remarks, and as i have with earlier witnesses, please hold into five minutes. will put your entire written statement in the record. mr. whalen, how about we start with you? >> thank you, madam chairman, members of the panel. i am going to take advantage of the fact that i get to go last and make some observations on what i've heard this morning since you have my written comments. first, we have the fascinating dichotomy of on the one hand, a captive financing vehicle. and on the other hand a bank holding company. i worked at the federal reserve bank in new york and the banks supervision area. and i very firmly with the criteria for approval under section 12 for bank holding co