. >> easy job with mr. hur as the chair. >> and it is. >> as it was with you. >> and so, beginning at our next meeting, commissioner hur, you will be presiding, and you will be second in command once again. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and for me, it has been a lot of fun. and i have certainly enjoyed it. and found it very educational. to say the least. >> and if i may say, how much i have enjoyed working with you. >> i enjoy working with you mr. st. croix. >> okay, so, we have an issue before us, regarding existing and potential litigation, and it is and it has and it appears on the agenda and we will need to discuss how we want to move forward on this. i believe that the commissioner hur, that you want to say something? >> yes. before we begin this agenda item i would like to move to recuse myself because one of my law partners represented mr. haki and so i don't think that i should be involved in that. >> i move. >> and i second that. >> discussion, commissioners? >> any public comment on commissioner hur'

i would insist that mr. hur be asked to leave the chamber also, he has already recused himself based on the fact that his law partner is representing the party and some of your discussion might give him privileged information that could be passed on to his law partner and the party to the case. and i think that it is only fair that if he is not going to be involved in this case, the appearance that he is not being involved in the case would include him leaving the chamber. >> the fact that he is recused from this means that he will leave the chamber. >> no, but this is... >> you had a concern and i addressed it. >> this is a standard, he will be leaving the chamber, that is the protocol. >> and so, any other public comment? if not, do i hear a motion to... >> we do have a motion. >> yeah. okay. sorry. >> can we have a vote on that motion? >> all in favor of going into closed session? >> aye, aye. >> okay. all of us in favor? >> and commissioner hur has been recused and is leaving the >> the commission has adopte

>> mr. hur? >> could i just for purposes of my own understanding, did the staff believe that it was that there was an absence of an intent to deceive here? >> yes? >> yes. >> and did the staff believe that this was inad inadvertent, specifically look the at c. >> yes. >> had the staff determined that it was deliberate? what do you think the range of penalty recommendations would have been? >> much higher. i don't know. i can't give you an amount. >> okay. >> mr. st. croix, i had asked you this at one time, but if you could refresh my memory, does this commission have the authority to recommend that a person be in a case like this be removed from their position? >> that is not one of ours. >> there is nothing spelled out in the statute or in the charter, that gives us the authority over that kind of thing for this level. i am not being an elected official or a board member or a department head. it is beyond the scope of ours. ultimately, if the commission determines that they want to communicate t